Base Thanos (Avengers Endgame) VS Post Nuke Doomsday

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, first we need to try and figure out what the writers are telling us explicitly. Because this is a simple medium with that tends to tell us to believe in simple information to move the story forward.

No need for aggression at him, man, it's just a hairstyle. Guy has credentials and has no reason to lie and has every reason to try and be accurate to not look foolish in a world full of armchair experts.

It's a matter of whether or not you believe him and why you feel your knowledge would be better than his.

It also about whether you believe that your opinions on the matter are based on the facts you know or more if you can honestly say your conclusion is based on the facts and not who you want to win. Then we can move forward, I feel. If your conclusion is honestly based on facts, then share this information (the facts, not the conclusion) with me so we can discuss it.

A lot of debates here degenerate because both sides already picked a winner w/o first scrutinizing (together) what the facts are. Ppl get forced to defend their position regardless of right/wrong because no one wants to admit they are wrong.

I feel that a conclusion-less discussion that focuses on reviewing the evidence FIRST and sharing what each sides know and can confirm would be far more productive. Don't you agree?

The writers... This doesn't work unless both characters are written by the same people. But they're not. IW writers could say a neutron star beam > a nuke and BvS writers could say the opposite. I'm going by real world information.

According to the video, Thor may be letting in 2x10^20 joules. On the other hand, one megaton is equivalent to 4.18 x 10^15 joules, so the question is how big was the nuke Superman and DD took. From what I can find online the American nuclear missiles range from 6 kilotons to 20 megatons. I have no idea how big the bomb was as the movie didn't specify.

However, whatever is more powerful, it should be noted that DD was not hurt by the nuke, while Thor was almost killed by the star.

And no, I don't have a bias. I don't really care for comic book characters. I grew up with other characters.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The writers... This doesn't work unless both characters are written by the same people. But they're not. IW writers could say a neutron star beam > a nuke and BvS writers could say the opposite. I'm going by real world information.

According to the video, Thor may be letting in 2x10^20 joules. On the other hand, one megaton is equivalent to 4.18 x 10^15 joules, so the question is how big was the nuke Superman and DD took. From what I can find online the American nuclear missiles range from 6 kilotons to 20 megatons. I have no idea how big the bomb was as the movie didn't specify.

However, whatever is more powerful, it should be noted that DD was not hurt by the nuke, while Thor was almost killed by the star.

And no, I don't have a bias. I don't really care for comic book characters. I grew up with other characters.

Let's not get too ahead. I'm not talking about the comparison between nuke and neutron star yet at this point. That's wayyy too far ahead. I was thinking about discussing individual interpretations of what we believe happened during the scenes in question and how we came upon our conclusion and w/c evidence we used to come to that.

Bear with me. It's a new approach I feel might alleviate some of the flaming and trolling in the MvS. If threads started with discussion and not debate, I feel like we might come to some pretty interesting agreements even between parties that normally don't agree. I'm not sure it's gonna work but I'm interested to find out. 😄

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Let's not get too ahead. I'm not talking about the comparison between nuke and neutron star yet at this point. That's wayyy too far ahead. I was thinking about discussing individual interpretations of what we believe happened during the scenes in question and how we came upon our conclusion and w/c evidence we used to come to that.

Bear with me. It's a new approach I feel might alleviate some of the flaming and trolling in the MvS. If threads started with discussion and not debate, I feel like we might come to some pretty interesting agreements even between parties that normally don't agree. I'm not sure it's gonna work but I'm interested to find out. 😄

What is there to discuss, exactly? Thor was exposed to a portion of the energy that flowed into the Forge, Doomsday (and Superman) were hit by a nuclear missile. The intention of the former is to show that Thor is very tough but still has limits, while the latter is meant to portray DD as nigh-unkillable without kryptonite.

Originally posted by Psychotron
What is there to discuss, exactly? Thor was exposed to a portion of the energy that flowed into the Forge, Doomsday (and Superman) were hit by a nuclear missile. The intention of the former is to show that Thor is very tough but still has limits, while the latter is meant to portray DD as nigh-unkillable without kryptonite.

I didn't mean intent on what the overall goal of the scene was. But intent on "what did is the exact scene being told by the writer" in its most basic for,. Also, is the lowball language really necessary? Debates would be so much smoother if both sides try and approach the other with the intent of sharing/understanding each other's interpretation without trying to diminish the other's position.

I can, for example, try and downplay the nuke "feat" by insinuating that the explosion happened in space and that blast force is greatly diminished in space. https://history.nasa.gov/conghand/nuclear.htm in fact, in a vacuum, without air to carry the blast force, the blast wave AND thermal radiation (heat) disappears completely. At the same breath, I would also opt to "forget" to mention that the radiation exposure in space is far greater than sea level just so I can hammer in my position more. Or maybe lowball the importance of radiation in the "feat" by saying Neutron star radiation >>>> nuke blast radiation or whatever. This is how the usual aggressive ***-for-tat "you lowball me, I lowball you" trolling/countertrolling conflict occur around here and I would like to break the cycle.

But that is lowball language I'd rather avoid because I want to be fair to your side and I acknowledge that the audience won't likely know the above information so it's not really something I want to use (unless the debate devolves into one where we try to out-science each other wherein I feel the science is on my side in this area).

But that's not really something I wanna do right now. Like I said, this is a new experimental approach I want to take from now on. Let's discuss this and try to be fair to either side?

I mean, let me start, I think we can all agree that the simplified interpretation of the Doomsday "feat" is "Doomsday got hit by nuke"?

And the simplified Thor "feat" is "Thor got hit by the full force of a neutron star"?

Is that not the most basic message the writers are trying to tell us?

"full force of a star" is just figurative language to mean "unfiltered exposure to a star".

It is unreasonable to assume a literal meaning from the character over a figurative meaning when the literal meaning makes no sense and the figurative meaning actually makes sense.

Your opinion isn't canon.

With his

Spoiler:
EndGame Sword (which is clearly his STANDARD weapon for going into battle)

Having now seen Endgame, Doomsday stomps. Hard.

Doomsday was only killed because of Kryptonite.

DD wins.

Doomsday stomps.

Originally posted by Impediment
Doomsday was only killed because of Kryptonite.

DD wins.

plot device lol.... Thanos slices and dices

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
plot device lol.... Thanos slices and dices

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Spoiler:
He cut through Rogers' shield. Cutting through Shitsday won't require much effort.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Spoiler:
He cut through Rogers' shield. Cutting through Shitsday won't require much effort.

i agree.. Thanos could end the fight in a few seconds lol

Everyone knows a giant focused beam of sun matter carries no weight or destructive property and is just pure heat. The heat was so hot it was moving Thor and fired him like a bullet. It was like touching a giant superheated stovetop. If you're not careful, they shoot frying pans into space

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Spoiler:
He cut through Rogers' shield. Cutting through Shitsday won't require much effort.

So why do you say that he could cut through DD?

Can cap's shield tank a nuke? No.

So just because

Spoiler:
Thanos broke the shield

As far as I'm concerned, it would be like Thanos trying to cut through Captain Marvel- and we saw how that played out.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta

As far as I'm concerned, it would be like Thanos trying to cut through Captain Marvel- and we saw how that played out.

Spoiler:
Did Thanos use his sword on Cap Marvel?

And yes I have seen the film h1a8.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

Spoiler:
Did Thanos use his sword on Cap Marvel?

And yes I have seen the film h1a8.

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He directly slashed her multiple times, and she outright blocked it with her bare hands. That was right before she no-sold all of his bare hits, and utterly ate a headbutt.

If she can do that, DD would sit there and barely even notice Thanos attacking him.

Black Panther does this to Doomsday:

What is the damage?

Again, Thanos couldn't even scratch DD with his sword.

Thanos cuts DD’s head off, easily.