Kurse vs Thanos

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The few of the many punches Hulk managed to land on Thor back at Sakaar would send this one flying several meters away.

And again, Kurse is a better fighter than Hulk; he was landing more hits on Thor.

I honestly see no reason to believe Kurse being stronger than Hulk. However, when we realize that Thanos outstrengthen the Hulk without issue, then it's clear that Thanos > Kurse.

Kurse used his fists and still sent Thor significantly further away.
Kurse used a backhand (which is a far weaker type of attack) and sent Thor away further than Hulk ever did (even when Hulk used a weapon).
Kurse bloodied Thor up in a few hits.
Kurse took Thor's blows without any effect.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk was using a weapon, which amplifies striking power.
Kurse used his fists and still sent Thor significantly further away.
Kurse bloodied Thor up in a few hits.
Kurse took Thor's blows without any effect.

1. He lost his weapon eventually. You forget AV1 fight.
2. That doesn't mean Kurse is stronger than Hulk. Kurse could have been using his full strength whilst Hulk wasn't in his fights.

Also, stopping the Leviathan or swaying Surtur is far more impressive than sending Thor flying away.

3. Kurse never bloodied Thor, Hulk did back on Saakar.
4. Kurse actually swayed from Thor's blows, but as I've said, he seems to have some sort of outer shell. He doesn't seem able to feel pain.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. He lost his weapon eventually. You forget AV1 fight.
2. That doesn't mean Kurse is stronger than Hulk. Kurse could have been using his full strength whilst Hulk wasn't in his fights.

Also, stopping the Leviathan or swaying Surtur is far more impressive than sending Thor flying away.

3. Kurse never bloodied Thor, Hulk did back on Saakar.
4. Kurse actually swayed from Thor's blows, but as I've said, he seems to have some sort of outer shell. He doesn't seem able to feel pain.

I don't recall Hulk bloodying Thor in Sakaar. Thor also had multiple contusions on his face after his fight with Kurse.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. He lost his weapon eventually. You forget AV1 fight.
2. That doesn't mean Kurse is stronger than Hulk. Kurse could have been using his full strength whilst Hulk wasn't in his fights.

Also, stopping the Leviathan or swaying Surtur is far more impressive than sending Thor flying away.

3. Kurse never bloodied Thor, Hulk did back on Saakar.
4. Kurse actually swayed from Thor's blows, but as I've said, he seems to have some sort of outer shell. He doesn't seem able to feel pain.

We assume all characters are using their full strength unless there is strong evidence that they were not. That's facts.

The leviathan feat is not impressive as I calculated before. It would be if Hulk stopped it COMPLETELY (he didn't as its center of gravity was still going forward) and stopped it dead in its tracks (he didn't as it took quite a distance). The initial punch did almost nothing. It was through the bracing through the concrete that slowed it down.

And Hulk didn't budge Surtur after the first hits, proving either movie inconsistency or that Hulk's weight had everything to do with it.
If Movie inconsistency then this leads to your argument about Hela and Mjolnir. If weight, then it's a terrible feat.

But Kurse didn't budge (which has nothing to do with being hurt).

But don't forget Kurse bloodied Thor in a few blows (Hulk didn't on Sakaar).
Kurse sent Thor away weaker with a significantly weaker type of attack (a backhand) than Hulk did using much stronger type of attacks (weapons, kicks, uppercuts, etc).

Thanos would crush him.

Originally posted by h1a8
We assume all characters are using their full strength unless there is strong evidence that they were not. That's facts.

The leviathan feat is not impressive as I calculated before. It would be if Hulk stopped it COMPLETELY (he didn't as its center of gravity was still going forward) and stopped it dead in its tracks (he didn't as it took quite a distance). The initial punch did almost nothing. It was through the bracing through the concrete that slowed it down.

And Hulk didn't budge Surtur after the first hits, proving either movie inconsistency or that Hulk's weight had everything to do with it.
If Movie inconsistency then this leads to your argument about Hela and Mjolnir. If weight, then it's a terrible feat.

But Kurse didn't budge (which has nothing to do with being hurt).

But don't forget Kurse bloodied Thor in a few blows (Hulk didn't on Sakaar).
Kurse sent Thor away weaker with a significantly weaker type of attack (a backhand) than Hulk did using much stronger type of attacks (weapons, kicks, uppercuts, etc).

We can agree to disagree with your calculations.

Kurse never bloodied Thor!

Also, Thanos managed to outstrengthen both Thor and Worthy Cap. Being stronger than "two Thors" is way more impressive than anything Kurse has to account for.

Thanos 8/10, just so Kurse doesn't get so much shame.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
We can agree to disagree with your calculations.

Kurse never bloodied Thor!

Also, Thanos managed to outstrengthen both Thor and Worthy Cap. Being stronger than "two Thors" is way more impressive than anything Kurse has to account for.

Thanos 8/10, just so Kurse doesn't get so much shame.

Actually Kurse did bloody Thor.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Actually Kurse did bloody Thor.

YouTube video

minute 4. Thor's face gets focused, there's 0 blood.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
We can agree to disagree with your calculations.

Kurse never bloodied Thor!

Also, Thanos managed to outstrengthen both Thor and Worthy Cap. Being stronger than "two Thors" is way more impressive than anything Kurse has to account for.

Thanos 8/10, just so Kurse doesn't get so much shame.

Look at H1 arguing with himself.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Look at H1 arguing with himself.

you are pathetic Quan. Stop derailing threads.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
YouTube video

minute 4. Thor's face gets focused, there's 0 blood.

You can clearly see the blood at 4:14.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

Also, Thanos managed to outstrengthen both Thor and Worthy Cap. Being stronger than "two Thors" is way more impressive than anything Kurse has to account for.

Well he overpowered a Fat Thor and a Newb Thor.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
you are pathetic Quan. Stop derailing threads.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You can clearly see the blood at 4:14.

Well he overpowered a Fat Thor and a Newb Thor.

Hadn't seen that. Hulk also draw blood from Thor from a punch in AV1.

And still, that doesn't prove he is stronger than Thor.

Is there any evidence that Thor gets considerably weaker (in terms of strength) by being fat? Does being new to Thor's powers make Cap physically weaker?

I don't think so.

Being fat is a sign of being out of shape. It's what the writer is trying to portray. Thor might not have been weak per se, but just weaker than he was 5 years prior.

Anyway, Thanos seemed very skilled and not tremendously stronger than Thor (from trying to push Stormbreaker into Thor's chest).
Kurse is clearly stronger due to him sending Thor far away from a weak type of attack.

Originally posted by h1a8
Being fat is a sign of being out of shape. It's what the writer is trying to portray. Thor might not have been weak per se, but just weaker than he was 5 years prior.

Anyway, Thanos seemed very skilled and not tremendously stronger than Thor (from trying to push Stormbreaker into Thor's chest).
Kurse is clearly stronger due to him sending Thor far away from a weak type of attack.

A person getting fat won't tremendously affect in his strength, also, Thor is an Asgardian, his physicals stats aren't the same as humans, I don't expect him getting fatter to significantly reflect on his strength.

Thanos was having fun while pushing SB into Thor. He wasn't going all out like Kurse.

Again 2 Thors > 1.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
A person getting fat won't tremendously affect in his strength, also, Thor is an Asgardian, his physicals stats aren't the same as humans, I don't expect him getting fatter to significantly reflect on his strength.

Thanos was having fun while pushing SB into Thor. He wasn't going all out like Kurse.

Again 2 Thors > 1.

It's a sign of being out of shape.
Basically it's an argument of writer's intent. But this isn't a strong point anyway, so I'll drop it.

Thanos smirking doesn't mean he wasn't using all his strength.
He knew he was winning and that it was only a matter of time.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's a sign of being out of shape.
Basically it's an argument of writer's intent. But this isn't a strong point anyway, so I'll drop it.

Thanos smirking doesn't mean he wasn't using all his strength.
He knew he was winning and that it was only a matter of time.

Okay.

Thanos smiling means he isn't taking Thor serious. Again, we saw Thanos outstrengthening both Worthy Cap and Fat Thor.

That's more to account than any strength feat Kurse has brought.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay.

Thanos smiling means he isn't taking Thor serious. Again, we saw Thanos outstrengthening both Worthy Cap and Fat Thor.

That's more to account than any strength feat Kurse has brought.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

Is there any evidence that Thor gets considerably weaker (in terms of strength) by being fat? Does being new to Thor's powers make Cap physically weaker?

I don't think so.

Tell me why was he fat now, and why was he ripped before?

Instead of speculating on Asgardian physiology we should assume it works like a humans when his image changes the way a humans would. Just obviously a million times stronger.

It makes Cap a Newb at using Thors exotic powers. Heck Thor himself only gained better control over his own Lightning powers in his 3rd movie, and this was Caps first and only time using Thors powerset.

Thanos destroys Kurse.