Originally posted by Darth Thor
Also: Whosoever HOLDS this hammer if he be Worthy shall possess the power of Thor.If Thor and Cap TK fight over it, thereby keeping it out of Caps hands for a prolonged period, then Cap should lose the power of Thor. Presumably something like the 60 second rule comic Thor has had at times.
That doesn't really seem in character for Thor. He's a brawler. I don't think he'd want to win that way (assuming it even works like that).
Originally posted by Psychotron
He tried TKing Mjolnir because it was his primary weapon.
Really? And I guess now its Stormbreaker? Funny then he still took Mjolnir back from the past.
We also saw with both available, he will use both Mjolnir and SB equally.
He clearly has an attachment to Mjolnir and will certainly go to get it back if its working against him.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Yeah, and Steve will block that attempt. Also, Steve can apparently summon Stormbreaker so what if he steals his axe first?There's no way to know who can out-summon who so this is a pointless discussion.
The difference is that Thor still maintains all his powers even without his weapons. If Cap loses Mjolnir then he loses his thundergod powers.
Originally posted by emporerpants
Yeah, it was kinda weird how Cap did better with just mjolnir than Thor did when Thor had both mjolnir and stormbreaker. The movie really did shit on Thor pretty bad.
It's due to Mjolnir giving Cap Thor's powers. In that aspect, I believe Cap should be as strong as Thor. I mean, before Mjolnir, Cap's punches and kicks would barely bother Thanos, afterwards, Thanos was being swayed.
Cap fighting skills and agility also give him a great advantage considering that Thanos is also a good fighter.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, but if they get into a mental tug-of-war between the weapons where they're now caught in the air between them, Thor can easily just blast Cap with lightning.
Seems a bit far fetched. Wouldn't Steve have some sort of control over the lightning if he's still at least partially in control of Mjolnir? Also, what makes you think Thor would even try to do that? Sounds extremely cheap and dishonorable.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Seems a bit far fetched. Wouldn't Steve have some sort of control over the lightning if he's still at least partially in control of Mjolnir? Also, what makes you think Thor would even try to do that? Sounds extremely cheap and dishonorable.
No. Cap won't have any control of lightning without Mjolnir, same way regular Thor couldn't generate lightning before without Mjolnir.
And Thor has used lightning blasts on his opponents before without hesitation. I don't see why he'd think it dishonorable in this situation.
I mean, if honor was to be taken into account in this match I'm pretty sure Steve would find it dishonorable to user Thor's own weapon against him. And if he did user Mjolnir then I'm thinking Thor wouldn't hesitate to use his lightning then.
Originally posted by Psychotron
We're going to have to agree to disagree then. I can't see this being anything other than a melee fight. Thor is too much of a proud warrior.
Ok. Well, I can't force you to change your mind. Just saying, he wasn't too proud to use his lightning against Loki, Ironman, Hulk, Hela or Thanos.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Isn't that a bit reaching?
Not really.
We are assuming Cap had ALL of Thors abilities because of the enchantment, and not down to showings. So the same enchantment also makes it clear The Worthy have to Hold Mjolnir to gain those abilities.
So theres assumptions on both sides coming from the enchantment.
Plus we kind of know Cap doesnt have Thors abilities without Mjolnir.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not really.We are assuming Cap had ALL of Thors abilities because of the enchantment, and not down to showings. So the same enchantment also makes it clear The Worthy have to Hold Mjolnir to gain those abilities.
So theres assumptions on both sides coming from the enchantment.
Plus we kind of know Cap doesnt have Thors abilities without Mjolnir.
There's also a scene later on where Cap no longer has Mjolnir and Thanos knocks him out cold with a single punch. It seemed to show that he no longer (if he ever did) have Thor's durability since it usually takes more than that to completely knock Thor out.