Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Sure I'm the one turning h1 here? I am pretty much sure I never said that Thor created the swords.As HulkisHulk has already stated, and so do I, the swords were never Thor's. The fact that Thor "empowered" the swords with his lightning doesn't make them his, nor does it mean he created them!
Well, as things happen to be, IM was holding Sokovia when it exploded, just like Thor was standing over Sokovia. I call it a tie 😉
Anda again, the asteroid was at least 10x bigger than the one Kurse used, c'mon!
Captain America is worthy, in that aspect, he can use Mjolnir. If you want to claim that Thor can remove Mjolnir from Cap's hand, then [B]the burden is on you!
I think it's the most logical strategy Cap would pull out (He is a good strategist in the end). [/B]
I just finished posting video proof of Thor creating the sword. Did you even bother watching it or are you going to insist your opinion trumps onscreen feats?
Thor was at the center of the sokovia explosion, which started from the surface and wound it's way down. IM faced the tail end of the explosion (he was literally at the tail endd) whereas Thor was at the epicenter.
Sure the asteroid was bigger than the rock, but IM was also knocked out longer than Thor who wasn't even knocked out.
Just because he's worthy of Mjolnir doesn't mean that Thor can no longer telepathically command Mjolnir. IN fact, we already saw Thor calling back Mjolnir to him despite Cap having used it in Endgame. So unfortunately for you, my claim is already proven on screen. Your claim, that Thor can't call back Mjolnir now that Cap has it, is not proven. Thus you need to provide proof.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
....He had just killed a couple of Z.Asgardians, which happen to wear swords similar to the ones Thor had....Coincidence? I don't think so.The scene doesn't show him generating a sword.
Pause it at 1.32 and you'll see him holding a bar of lightning. A second later and it's now a solid sword that he wields two-handed. A second later and he now has 2 swords.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
He didnt create a sword, those are swords he took from the guys he killed and hes charged them with lightning.
Ok, let me repeat myself again. Pause it at 1.32, see how he's holding a bar of lightning a split second before it becomes a solid sword:
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
I saw it, it could be bad CGI. Thor has never been shown to just shit swords like Hela.
No, but that's because Thor only just recently unlocked his powers whereas Hela has been at it for thousands of years.
Thor also just has the one sword, even swings it two-handed, then as he comes out of his swing he's suddenly holding two swords. So unless he's got some ridiculously fast hands to grab those from the undead it seems logical that he made it. Besides like I said, there's a whole short segment there where he's clearly just holding a bar of lightning.
If you want more proof, look at his swords later on when he's talking to Loki. They're a lot nicer and shinier than the black/green swords the undead use.
Later on when he charges at Hela he's holding two swords then suddenly is only holding one without seeming to have dropped anything.
If someone could tell me how to post pics here I'll post the screenshots.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Can you find any evidence besides that cluster **** of a fight that says he can generate his own weapons?
I just provided you with like 4 different instances. 3 if we merge the scene where he's fighting the undead.
1. He fights the undead and generates a lightning bar that later resolves into a sword.
1.5 He suddenly holds two swords instead of one
2. He's holding swords that are a lot better looking than the ones the undead Asgardians use... where'd he get those?
3. He charges at Hela with two swords then suddenly is only holding one without seeming to drop one.
Now if you're looking for a different scene other than that for proof then you're out of luck, because that's literally the only fight scene we have where Thor has fully unlocked his powers but is without a weapon. The next time we see him properly fight he already has Stormbreaker, so no need for him to make his own weapon.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
I mean can any of that be attributed to bad camera work/ lazy film editing. Is there any text or bio anywhere that can back this up?
Don't know. I normally don't research into writeups and stuff, just base it on onscreen feats.
That said, we do have feats of Thor using his lightning to magically create his armor on top of his regular clothing. Does that help?
Like here at the 3.03 mark:
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Yea when he calls his power down, he armors up. I guess that would count as a Mjonir feat. It would be cool to get some actual reference somewhere about this, but I dont consider it out of the realm of possibilities of Asgardian science and magic.
From Ragnarok, we know that Mjolnir is merely training wheels to help Thor unlock his powers, but his power comes from himself. So if he was able to create his armor with Mjolnir's help before, it follows that he could still do the same in Ragnarok after he's unlocked his full powers.
From there, it's not such a huge leap to consider that he can create swords. I mean, armor is usually a lot more complicated to make than a sword. Besides, Hela is able to do it. So can Loki to an extent. I'm not saying that Thor can spam weapons or whatever, but it's not like it's unprecedented for a high-end Asgardian to do it.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I just finished posting video proof of Thor creating the sword. Did you even bother watching it or are you going to insist your opinion trumps onscreen feats?Thor was at the center of the sokovia explosion, which started from the surface and wound it's way down. IM faced the tail end of the explosion (he was literally at the tail endd) whereas Thor was at the epicenter.
Sure the asteroid was bigger than the rock, but IM was also knocked out longer than Thor who wasn't even knocked out.
Just because he's worthy of Mjolnir doesn't mean that Thor can no longer telepathically command Mjolnir. IN fact, we already saw Thor calling back Mjolnir to him despite Cap having used it in Endgame. So unfortunately for you, my claim is already proven on screen. Your claim, that Thor can't call back Mjolnir now that Cap has it, is not proven. Thus you need to provide proof.
The scene doesn't show Thor creating a sword. He had a lightning bolt in his hand and then there's a cutscene, where afterwards Thor has a sword. You are assuming what happened within the cutscene.
Again, the scene never showed Thor creating swords. And futhermore, his swords are identical to Hela's Dead Army.
Lol, no.
IM was just beneath Ultron's device, which caused the explosion. Thor was on the surface. I think both received similar forces.
Thor was lying on the ground without being able to move! Either way, MK50 suit is definitely durable enough to withstand attacks from Ragnarok Thor.
That's if Cap let's go of the hammer and if Thor is actually waiting for such opportunity. Not like I would expect Thor to overrule Cap's powers.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The scene doesn't show Thor creating a sword. He had a lightning bolt in his hand and then there's a cutscene, where afterwards Thor has a sword. You are assuming what happened within the cutscene.Again, the scene never showed Thor creating swords. And futhermore, his swords are identical to Hela's Dead Army.
Lol, no.
IM was just beneath Ultron's device, which caused the explosion. Thor was on the surface. I think both received similar forces.
Thor was lying on the ground without being able to move! Either way, MK50 suit is definitely durable enough to withstand attacks from Ragnarok Thor.
That's if Cap let's go of the hammer and if Thor is actually waiting for such opportunity. Not like I would expect Thor to overrule Cap's powers.
Yeah, you see him hold a bar of lightning and use it like a sword as he turns and cuts down his opponents. Scene cuts and we see him reversing his turn and this time he now holds a single sword in both hands as he slashes some more foes. A split second later he's now holding two swords.
Like I said, unless Thor's hands are capable of moving at superspeed, nowhere do we see him actually grab those swords from his enemies.
I posted proof of him using his lightning like a melee weapon. You posted.... zero proof of him picking up those swords.
As for the Sokovia explosion, it's not even worth replying to you at this point. Thor is clearly the point of impact in that explosion, he literally was the catalyst. You see the explosion take out the surface first before going down to where IM was. If you think IM took the same kind of explosion that Thor did then you're simply trolling at this point.
Again, prove that Cap can stop Mjolnir from being summoned by Thor. Thor has already summoned his hammer through stone walls, steel walls, outerspace, etc. Nothing has stopped it from outright coming back to him Other than Hela.
And even if Cap managed to keep a tight enough grip on it that Thor is not able to summon it back, are you telling me that you think Cap can maintain that grip throughout the whole fight? That he'll never drop it or throw it?