Eh, how is this not tremendous spite?
Originally posted by Galan007
Progenitor created an entire galaxy just to keep him company:
http://i.imgur.com/50gqdWw.jpgHe also contained the 'Omniphagos' -- a creature that was already galaxy-level, with the potential to consume the whole of existence:
http://i.imgur.com/vEZDQBL.jpg*For those unfamiliar with Progenitor: he is essentially Element Lad with billionS of years of experience mastering his powers, thanks to a rather unfortunate series of events:
https://i.imgur.com/kUwU1f8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ybLbhHj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TJCQdWL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DTqtHMG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ESbkYb5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZI7nGlC.jpgHe's no less than a high-end Skyfather, imo.
Even Saturn Girl's all-out TP barely had any effect at all on Jan:
https://i.imgur.com/4Vmf8JH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dYVYOw5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/lAxVlXY.jpg
...And SG is a universal telepath.
This is a bit more complicated than that I think.
That is Earth-247 Saturn Girl, who has no universal feats I remember. I don't recall anything above large city level from her without amps.
Even still, Imra did appear to get him, pointing out mental attacks are his weak spot. He fights her off of course, but it took a second. Maybe Sersi could pull it off.
https://postimg.cc/Fk9B5ztf
Then again, may not make a difference.
Originally posted by StyleTime
This is a bit more complicated than that I think.That is Earth-247 Saturn Girl, who has no universal feats I remember. I don't recall anything above large city level from her without amps.
Even still, Imra did appear to get him, pointing out mental attacks are his weak spot. He fights her off of course, but it took a second. Maybe Sersi could pull it off.
https://postimg.cc/Fk9B5ztfThen again, may not make a difference.
It's a pretty tough call.
That stuff he transmuted his body in to, survived the Big Bang, formation of the universe, all the way up to the LOSH future era.
The same stuff encased Singularity, who's like a super amped Sebastian Shaw that was taking attacks from Ultra Boy and Kon El, making him stronger. And, the same stuff encased a cosmic.monster that could steamroll pretty much everything if it got to inhabited space (Until it got free, which only proves how op it is.)
Even if Sersi could distract him for a moment, there's the question of whether she can even manipulate the material he turned his body into.
Originally posted by StyleTimeShe may have thought mental attacks were his 'weakness', but based on how easily Jan owned her TP assault(on the very same page), along with the fact that he suffered no ill-effects afterward, I'd be inclined to say that she was definitely incorrect.
Even still, Imra did appear to get him, pointing out mental attacks are his weak spot. He fights her off of course, but it took a second. Maybe Sersi could pull it off.
https://postimg.cc/Fk9B5ztfThen again, may not make a difference.
It might take me a second to brush dog hair off my shirt, and it might even annoy the hell out of me, but in the end it's still just a minor inconvenience. Same thing here: it was ultimately Imra who was incapacitated by the sheer effort she expended in trying to TP Jan, while Jan himself was perfectly fine. /shrug
Originally posted by cdtm
It's a pretty tough call.That stuff he transmuted his body in to, survived the Big Bang, formation of the universe, all the way up to the LOSH future era.
The same stuff encased Singularity, who's like a super amped Sebastian Shaw that was taking attacks from Ultra Boy and Kon El, making him stronger. And, the same stuff encased a cosmic.monster that could steamroll pretty much everything if it got to inhabited space (Until it got free, which only proves how op it is.)
Even if Sersi could distract him for a moment, there's the question of whether she can even manipulate the material he turned his body into.
Originally posted by Galan007
She may have thought mental attacks were his 'weakness', but based on how easily Jan owned her TP assault(on the very same page), along with the fact that he suffered no ill-effects afterward, I'd be inclined to say that she was definitely incorrect.It might take me a second to brush dog hair off my shirt, and it might even annoy the hell out of me, but in the end it's still just a minor inconvenience. Same thing here: it was ultimately Imra who was incapacitated by the sheer effort she expended in trying to TP Jan, while Jan himself was perfectly fine. /shrug
It's also possible that Imra was too weak to fully exploit the vulnerability though. I don't feel like "weakness" has to mean an auto-win for whoever attacks it. She got into his head, but it may take a stronger telepath to actually end the fight. Sersi may fare better in that regard. It's similar to Thor vs Phoenix Fragment Emma and Xavier. Thor resisted Emma just fine, but Xavier blew him completely out the water.
It's why I think it's complicated. Like I said, it may not even matter. Progenitor might treat Sersi the same way as Imra. I'm just trying to explore her only real option here.
Originally posted by StyleTimeI get what you're saying.
It's also possible that Imra was too weak to fully exploit the vulnerability though. I don't feel like "weakness" has to mean an auto-win for whoever attacks it. She got into his head, but it may take a stronger telepath to actually end the fight. Sersi may fare better in that regard. It's similar to Thor vs Phoenix Fragment Emma and Xavier. Thor resisted Emma just fine, but Xavier blew him completely out the water.It's why I think it's complicated. Like I said, it may not even matter. Progenitor might treat Sersi the same way as Imra. I'm just trying to explore her only real option here.
But again, Imra stated that Jan's mind was his 'weakness' literally a panel before Jan completely and utterly owned her attempt at mind-phuckery and left her incapacitated and drooling on the floor, while Jan himself was completely unaffected.
That being said, at the very least it's clear that Jan's mind wasn't remotely the "weak spot" Imra believed it was, imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
I get what you're saying.But again, Imra stated that Jan's mind was his 'weakness' literally a panel before Jan completely and utterly owned her attempt at mind-phuckery and left her incapacitated and drooling on the floor, while Jan himself was completely unaffected.
That being said, at the very least it's clear that Jan's mind wasn't remotely the "weak spot" Imra believed it was, imo.
I agree that Imra underestimated his defense though. And I'm unsure if the gap between Sersi and Imra is enough to make up the difference between Imra and Jan. As you said, Jan does come out unscathed, so it implies he has the reserves to fight someone stronger too.
I can see either take. What you're saying totally makes sense, and even I'm skeptical of Sersi's case, as I can't credibly frame it with anything but "I wonder...". It's mostly just me speculating.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
I thought that version of Saturn Girl is one of the weakest.
