Originally posted by PsychotronSo what? WW have to see the superspeed to prove it is. You cannot just assume it is but Batman was nailing Doomsday with human reflexes as well. The lengths fanboys will pretend that superspeed is happening a;l the time without any proof is just baseless.
How exactly do you know DD never used super speed? He was landing hits on Wonder Woman and Clark, who have confirmed super speed.So your entire argument hinges on Batman surviving, not tanking, just surviving against Superman when Superman wasn't trying to kill him? That's retarded, even for you.
Superman is not a murderer so he will only attempt to kill in extreme cases and never right out of the gate. Thanos rarely killed his opponents but he clearly beat them unlike Superman against a determined and lone Batman.
Originally posted by Juk3nI never said he just beat him without any context I said his reflexes were enough to pose a threat to him with his planning and weaponry. Superman was faster, stronger, more durable but he was not as ruthless nor able to subdue Batman. To not be able to defeat an opponent clearly weaker than you are without killing him when your own mothers fate is tied to the outcome is hilarious. Huge low moment for Superman fans when he lost to Batman.
So.. Batman just "beat" Superman? No context?
Everytime someone ignores the big GREEN elephant in the room, i get a warm fuzzy feeling.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Well you're right on that score. If we're all being honest, including you, Superman should have just bear hugged batman and calmly explained everything to him.But i guess we're slaves to the bad writing of the characters we like.
The problem with being honest is he'd have to admit Superman beats down Thanos.
Originally posted by Juk3nNo, when we decide what is good an what is bad we are denying what did happen. We have to go by the evidence. I do admit without a prepped and ready to kill Superman Batman loses but that is the situation we got and have to accept.
Well you're right on that score. If we're all being honest, including you, Superman should have just bear hugged batman and calmly explained everything to him.But i guess we're slaves to the bad writing of the characters we like.
Originally posted by Juk3nTo Batman sure. To other super powered characters not a chance. WW, Doomsday, Steppenwolf, Zod, Faora, etc.
I think everyone accepts a few truths about superman. 1)He can't fight very well. No one really disputes this. 2)He isn't very ruthless.. And 3) Without the presence of Kryptonite, 1 and 2 don't seem to matter.
Originally posted by Juk3nNo, he did not toy he also did not defeat Stepp who was attacked by a team not just Superman. I love how people ignore all that just because it is Superman. Whatever makes him more impressive according to the fanatics.
Toyed with Steppen.
WW never looked a threat, not for a second.The others are all fellow kryptonians.. So.. You win I guess? 🤷🏽‍♂️
WW never seriously engaged him yet still rocked him with a headbutt. If she can cut off Doomsdays arm acting as if she cannot hurt Superman is silly.
Originally posted by Juk3nSo? He also hit Stepp and did no damage. I guess if he smiles and benefits from a team wailing on him then the rest completely gets forgotten.
Literally fought Steppen with a cgi smile on his face.And again, context. If WW was a credible threat to Superman, the JL wouldn't have needed Superman.
They needed his help at no point does it have anything to do with a fight between the two of them. He is clearly stronger she is more skilled and can clearly hurt him via strength alone. The leaps of insanity you do to tout Superman you should become aware. Bias needs to be kept in check.
No one wanted to fight Superman and she clearly held back. For ****s sake.
Originally posted by Juk3nI think it hurt him. The same can be said of throwing a ship onto Thanos or cap hitting him with the hammer. You are one of those forget everything else and just focus on collateral damage. WW clearly withstood his headbutt to return one of her own. Acting like he is beyond her is so silly it is just devoid of context and reach these trumpian conclusions that climate change is not real.
Do you think her headbutt hit with more force than say.. A face full of locomotive thrown by another kryptonian?