Originally posted by carver9
Darksaint is getting the book mixed up...Frank beat him by throwing a tractor on the top of his skull.
So he was faster than Superman (unless this is your usual 'Superman wanted to get hit by that tractor'😉, the tractor is more durable than Superman etc? He must also possess incredible strength,doing with the tractor what , for example, WW was unable to do.
Or would you give me Frankenstein's tractor in a BZ with One Punch Man? And allow me to say, well this tractor KOd Superman, look at all of Superman's durability and speed feats, therefore Franky with a tractor can KO Saitama?
THIS is what I've been trying to get at this entire time. Is this method of arguing acceptable to you?
Originally posted by Delta1938
You delayed your BZ with him so why can't we do it soon while you wait? And you didn't even acknowledge it when I brought it up, me not being too active looks awfully a lot like an excuse to cover yourself given I specifically brought it up.Also I find it odd how you were so willing to have the one you set up, eventually agreed to one under different combinations (I assume; I actually didn't see everything so am assuming it's the changes Damborgson brought up) and were going to buy then suddenly want to delay it for the season to finish, even though Damborgson pointed out the manga it's based on already came out. Makes me think you're hoping the anime makes something more favorable than the manga, and perhaps you'll even back down from your own BZ if it doesn't.
Season 2 of One Punch Man still has about three weeks to go, so he has plenty of time. Entire tourneys have been wrapped up in less.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Season 2 of One Punch Man still has about three weeks to go, so he has plenty of time. Entire tourneys have been wrapped up in less.
It's funny because the last time I talked to him on Xbox LIVE (a few weeks after he accepted it) he brings it up like I'm avoiding it, when I messaged him a few times, some about the BZ, so it's just absurd he's bringing it up like I'm avoiding it.
But more than once carter has been unprepared and wrong to the point even he realizes it and he then mocked me about "oh you spend all your time reading up on it." So his ego is so massive he actually turns his inadequacy into somehow his opponent being inferior. So I'm not surprised he would think I'm avoiding it because his dumbass doesn't know how to navigate messaging menus. And I'm being generous assuming it's he can't figure it out, instead of the more likely he's avoiding me but still thinks I'm the one who's afraid.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So he was faster than Superman (unless this is your usual 'Superman wanted to get hit by that tractor'😉, the tractor is more durable than Superman etc? He must also possess incredible strength,doing with the tractor what , for example, WW was unable to do.Or would you give me Frankenstein's tractor in a BZ with One Punch Man? And allow me to say, well this tractor KOd Superman, look at all of Superman's durability and speed feats, therefore Franky with a tractor can KO Saitama?
THIS is what I've been trying to get at this entire time. Is this method of arguing acceptable to you?
You're making a weird (I want to say crazy) argument here. You might as well say that EVERY fight Surfer, Thor, Superman, Gladiator, Thanos, Beta Ray Bill, heck, even Nightcrawler (and a thousand more) are PIS. Show me a single fight where a character within the Herald and above tier used ALL of their abilities in a fight? It's like me saying Black Adam fight against Superman is PIS because he didnt use lightning. Orion didnt use half of his abilities against Superman. Wonder Woman didnt use all of her abilities against Superman whereas he used everything at his disposal. She was holding back. A lot. Titus didnt use all of his abilities against Superman. Captain Marvel did not use all of his abilities. Darkseid didnt use all of his abilities. Lol... Frankenstein didnt use all of his abilities. Hal didnt use all of his abilities when he fought Superman. Martian Manhunter didnt use all of his abilities against Superman. This argument is getting ridiculous.
Originally posted by carver9
You're making a weird (I want to say crazy) argument here. You might as well say that EVERY fight Surfer, Thor, Superman, Gladiator, Thanos, Beta Ray Bill, heck, even Nightcrawler (and a thousand more) are PIS. Show me a single fight where a character within the Herald and above tier used ALL of their abilities in a fight? It's like me saying Black Adam fight against Superman is PIS because he didnt use lightning. Orion didnt use half of his abilities against Superman. Wonder Woman didnt use all of her abilities against Superman whereas he used everything at his disposal. She was holding back. A lot. Titus didnt use all of his abilities against Superman. Captain Marvel did not use all of his abilities. Darkseid didnt use all of his abilities. Lol... Frankenstein didnt use all of his abilities. Hal didnt use all of his abilities when he fought Superman. Martian Manhunter didnt use all of his abilities against Superman. This argument is getting ridiculous.
What the **** is your point? You typically argue characters aren't that fast if they have super speed but still get hit by who/what-ever you're arguing to downplay them. But now when that doesn't work for you you're trying to argue it's characters don't always use their full abilities?
And assuming you don't run away from the Superman vs Wonder Woman BZ, you're sure going to loath your argument here. I think you're not wanting to have it with me before your BZ with Damborgson (despite plenty of time) because you're not that confident and want to make some excuse after yours with Damborgson. Especially if you lose. Which given you lost to even LoB is likely even if the side Damborgson is repping should get raped.
Originally posted by carver9
You're making a weird (I want to say crazy) argument here. You might as well say that EVERY fight Surfer, Thor, Superman, Gladiator, Thanos, Beta Ray Bill, heck, even Nightcrawler (and a thousand more) are PIS. Show me a single fight where a character within the Herald and above tier used ALL of their abilities in a fight? It's like me saying Black Adam fight against Superman is PIS because he didnt use lightning. Orion didnt use half of his abilities against Superman. Wonder Woman didnt use all of her abilities against Superman whereas he used everything at his disposal. She was holding back. A lot. Titus didnt use all of his abilities against Superman. Captain Marvel did not use all of his abilities. Darkseid didnt use all of his abilities. Lol... Frankenstein didnt use all of his abilities. Hal didnt use all of his abilities when he fought Superman. Martian Manhunter didnt use all of his abilities against Superman. This argument is getting ridiculous.
My detailed rebuttal:
...*ahem*..
Carver.
😆
Originally posted by carver9
You're making a weird (I want to say crazy) argument here. You might as well say that EVERY fight Surfer, Thor, Superman, Gladiator, Thanos, Beta Ray Bill, heck, even Nightcrawler (and a thousand more) are PIS. Show me a single fight where a character within the Herald and above tier used ALL of their abilities in a fight? It's like me saying Black Adam fight against Superman is PIS because he didnt use lightning. Orion didnt use half of his abilities against Superman. Wonder Woman didnt use all of her abilities against Superman whereas he used everything at his disposal. She was holding back. A lot. Titus didnt use all of his abilities against Superman. Captain Marvel did not use all of his abilities. Darkseid didnt use all of his abilities. Lol... Frankenstein didnt use all of his abilities. Hal didnt use all of his abilities when he fought Superman. Martian Manhunter didnt use all of his abilities against Superman. This argument is getting ridiculous.
Ahhhh. Very, VERY good point.
So your initial post:
Is just plain stupid. Nemebro calls them losers, you react by naming their highest feats..... against opponents who held back.
IOW,Franky is not on their level, certainly not for a BZ where high end feats are usually used.
FINALLY we get resolution.
Thanks.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ahhhh. Very, VERY good point.So your initial post:
Is just plain stupid. Nemebro calls them losers, you react by naming their highest feats..... against opponents who held back.
IOW,Franky is not on their level, certainly not for a BZ where high end feats are usually used.
FINALLY we get resolution.
Thanks.
What Im saying is, we dont neglect fights because of them not using every single ability during that fight. If that is what we consider PIS, then that'll exclude almost 99% of Herald fights that have taken place in comics (i would say a 100). As great debaters, we know that we dont exclude comic fights because we post them as evidence of an outcome. Example, you just mentioned Aquarian taking out Quasar. Did Quasar use all of his abilities in that fight? 🙂 Doubt it. You're making this harder than it should be. You're trying to eliminate Frank showings because Superman did not use all of his abilities (Frank didnt either). Thanks for the debate though.
Originally posted by carver9
What Im saying is, we dont neglect fights because of them not using every single ability during that fight. If that is what we consider PIS, then that'll exclude almost 99% of Herald fights that have taken place in comics (i would say a 100). As great debaters, we know that we dont exclude comic fights because we post them as evidence of an outcome. Example, you just mentioned Aquarian taking out Quasar. Did Quasar use all of his abilities in that fight? 🙂 Doubt it. You're making this harder than it should be. You're trying to eliminate Frank showings because Superman did not use all of his abilities (Frank didnt either). Thanks for the debate though.
Actually, Quasar did. You forget who and what Aquarian is, lol.
But I'm NOT trying to eliminate Franky's showings, lmao. YOU'RE the one.
If Franky beats Superman in a straight up fight, then it belongs to Franky, Yes/No?
If Yes (and we BOTH 3000% agree), then Franky MUST be on Superman's level, Yes/No?
If Yes (and YOU say this) that means Franky is stronger than an all out Superman, right? Faster. If no, obviously Superman was holding back, right?
So now your argument is that Franky ISN'T a second rate brick, because he beat.....a holding back Superman. With a normal tractor.
How is that possible lmao. The fact he beat a holding back Superman is incredibly stupid proof that he's on Superman's level, especially for a BZ, when WE'RE in control and not holding back.
Nemebro was, in effect, correct.
Edit:. Actually, we DO ignore all those fights. Read the forum rules, especially on Full Capacity. The Flash clocks his opponents in the first millisecond, even though he DOESN'T DO THIS IN COMICS.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Actually, Quasar did. You forget who and what Aquarian is, lol.But I'm NOT trying to eliminate Franky's showings, lmao. YOU'RE the one.
If Franky beats Superman in a straight up fight, then it belongs to Franky, Yes/No?
If Yes (and we BOTH 3000% agree), then Franky MUST be on Superman's level, Yes/No?
If Yes (and YOU say this) that means Franky is stronger than an all out Superman, right? Faster. If no, obviously Superman was holding back, right?
So now your argument is that Franky ISN'T a second rate brick, because he beat.....a holding back Superman. With a normal tractor.
How is that possible lmao. [b]The fact he beat a holding back Superman is incredibly stupid proof that he's on Superman's level, especially for a BZ, when WE'RE in control and not holding back.
Nemebro was, in effect, correct.
Edit:. Actually, we DO ignore all those fights. Read the forum rules, especially on Full Capacity. The Flash clocks his opponents in the first millisecond, even though he DOESN'T DO THIS IN COMICS. [/B]
Stats are not shared. It just isnt. Showings are not discredited. Ask the people that states Jane showings doesnt belong to Thor and Bill showings doesnt belong to Thor. Power scaling, we know that Thor is more powerful than Bill but his planet busting fts and planet tanking fts doesnt belong to Thor. No one will say just because Bill destroy a planet, Thor can as well. The opposite have been said tbh.
At the end of the day, you're back at square one, debating powerset and we have already came to a disagreement about this. Surfer have the capabilities of doing anything, I'm not giving him the edge against Thanos due to this because I am not ignoring their encounters, no matter how much you want to debate powerset. This is my last response to this.
Originally posted by carver9
Stats are not shared. It just isnt. Showings are not discredited. Ask the people that states Jane showings doesnt belong to Thor and Bill showings doesnt belong to Thor. Power scaling, we know that Thor is more powerful than Bill but his planet busting fts and planet tanking fts doesnt belong to Thor. No one will say just because Bill destroy a planet, Thor can as well. The opposite have been said tbh.At the end of the day, you're back at square one, debating powerset and we have already came to a disagreement about this. Surfer have the capabilities of doing anything, I'm not giving him the edge against Thanos due to this because I am not ignoring their encounters, no matter how much you want to debate powerset. This is my last response to this.
So we power scale, but only when it suits you. Gotcha.
When character A beats B, we scale their power levels, but not in any meaningful way. Gotcha.
Originally posted by carver9
What multiverse punch? Are you all over hyping something that isnt true again?
Originally posted by abhilegend"This multiverse is my masterpiece".
https://s7d4.turboimg.net/sp/38783a09059696ce11765686ffe11078/Justice_League_2018-_025-023.jpg
"My masterpiece, you destroyed it".
Sundipped Superman is a multiverse buster now.
