Homosexuals Sue Christian Dating Site...

Originally posted by StyleTime
Meh, the "you're a hypocrite" line is petty and leads nowhere though. They got sued because they violated California state law...

They likely didn't read the article, only the headline.

Originally posted by StyleTime
...which means those "leftists" can say the exact same thing in the other direction. For example,

.... "can't wait to hear radical rightists being consistent (lol) and bitching about "but muh state's rights" now lol.

I know this is something of a sport for this forum, which is why I don't visit often, but don't you ever tire of it?

Couldn't we just try and reason through this one without identity politics dropping in?

If we take the name as some kind of mission statement, can't we still arrive at the conclusion that some Christians are gay AF, and should be allowed on a Christian dating site? Even if we go with the interpretation that a dude smooching is a sin (differs among Christians), Christianity is pretty clear that everyone sins. Why should the homosaurus species be singled out?

Is that true? I've seen some named black/asian/white/martian/whatever mingle, but do they actually ban other races from joining?

Regardless, as Pr said, gays can be Christian (makes no sense why an LGBT person would do that to themselves, but I'm just some hetero, atheist heathen. I don't count here.)

👆

Originally posted by StyleTime
...but I'm just some hetero, atheist heathen. I don't count here.)

Don't worry. When you die, I will ensure my Mormon Army does your baptism for the dead work in our temples.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't worry. When you die, I will ensure my Mormon Army does your baptism for the dead work in our temples.

Wait you guys got zombies in your temples?

Oh whoops there isn't a comma after "baptism".

Mormonism... 😂

...that explains a lot actually.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Mormonism... 😂

...that explains a lot actually.

I submitted a request to church leadership to see if we could do an extant-proxy-baptism for you.

Similar to how we do baptisms for the dead, my idea is to do proxy-baptisms for the living but who are brain-dead. Comatose patients, the mentally disabled, etc.

It's the little things like that which makes Mormons so amazing. We are always looking out for everyone. We love everyone.

hug

Originally posted by dadudemon
I submitted a request to church leadership to see if we could do an extant-proxy-baptism for you.

Similar to how we do baptisms for the dead, my idea is to do proxy-baptisms for the living but who are brain-dead. Comatose patients, the mentally disabled, etc.

It's the little things like that which makes Mormons so amazing. We are always looking out for everyone. We love everyone.

hug

Oh, really? Then why does your religion teach that those born with black skin were bad in a previous life and that is why they got a black body which y'all consider to be the mark of Cain? Sounds pretty racist to me. Perhaps you Mormons don't teach that anymore but you certainly used to even though y'all were never open about it.

Do y'all believe Adam is God and that he is constantly making spirit babies in Heaven by having sex with someone and that everytime someone is born it is a result of him doing that? LOL I know y'all used to teach that as well. Perhaps y'all have reformed and if so I'm glad to hear it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I submitted a request to church leadership to see if we could do an extant-proxy-baptism for you.

Similar to how we do baptisms for the dead, my idea is to do proxy-baptisms for the living but who are brain-dead. Comatose patients, the mentally disabled, etc.

It's the little things like that which makes Mormons so amazing. We are always looking out for everyone. We love everyone.

hug

No offense but why would you baptize a dead person unless you somehow knew they wanted it? Seems wrong IMO.

Originally posted by Surtur
No offense but why would you baptize a dead person unless you somehow knew they wanted it? Seems wrong IMO.

A lot of stuff they believe seems wrong and anti-biblical/anti-Christ to me but yeah, you're right. That looks like another one I can add to the list. And I thought many Catholic beliefs/doctrines/ceremonies were bad lol.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's not really the same thing, though. Is there a double-standard? Sure. Probably. Relevancy is the key though.

Do you want to point out that water is wet, too? Left or right, most people are hypocrites. Even on this board, there's tons of "whatabout" arguments, leading to threads not really going anywhere. This thread will end up the same way because it'll just end up being the same "no you" shite yet again.

If you didn't want to be seen as attacking gays, you probably shouldn't have used this case as your example, then.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Oh, really? Then why does your religion teach that those born with black skin were bad in a previous life and that is why they got a black body which y'all consider to be the mark of Cain? Sounds pretty racist to me.

You're right. That's why it isn't taught, is considered false doctrine, and you'll get in trouble if you teach it in the church. 🙂

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Do y'all believe Adam is God

No. lol

They never believed that. That's some weird anti-Mormon belief that got made up to slander us. That's upthere with the blood sacrifices we supposedly did in our temples.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
...and that he is constantly making spirit babies in Heaven by having sex with someone...

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
...and that everytime someone is born it is a result of him doing that?

That contradicts one of the very earliest Mormon-theological beliefs that all of our spirits were created before this universe even existed. 👆

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
LOL I know y'all used to teach that as well. Perhaps y'all have reformed and if so I'm glad to hear it.

Never did. The only gotcha you might have is that some taught the mark of Cain false doctrine and it was never official doctrine. Only 5 or 6 events occurred in the Church history to formally canonize scripture and doctrine. One of those was formally striking down the racist false doctrine about the Mark of Cain.

Originally posted by Surtur
No offense but why would you baptize a dead person unless you somehow knew they wanted it? Seems wrong IMO.

Yeah, they can reject it. At the very basics of core beliefs for Mormonism is free-agency. Some call this free will.

We can do posthumous proxy baptisms all day long but it's still up to God and the deceased person. It's like putting a recycle bin out on the street: doesn't mean people will use it.

You mean you guys never did Blood sacrifices... but... really.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, they can reject it. At the very basics of core beliefs for Mormonism is free-agency. Some call this free will.

We can do posthumous proxy baptisms all day long but it's still up to God and the deceased person. It's like putting a recycle bin out on the street: doesn't mean people will use it.

What if god decides he wants the baptism to go through and the person doesn't?

But surely DDM in a prophetic Universe, your free will is merely God's plan.

Originally posted by Surtur
What if god decides he wants the baptism to go through and the person doesn't?

That's an impossible scenario. It can't happen.

It's a logical contradiction.

Maybe I'm interpreting your words too strictly. God wants everyone to repent, be baptized, and be good. But he will never force you because that's against the basics of existence: free agency.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
But surely DDM in a prophetic Universe, your free will is merely God's plan.

No. We don't view it as 'all part of God's plan' because that's silly and childish to believe. God's Plan, in our theology, is literally a plan to grow and develop as an eternal being to be more like Him. And we chose to participate in this part of His plan. That's right: we chose to be born into mortality to face hardship out of a nearly infinite number of non-mortal options (problem of evil: solved).

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's an impossible scenario. It can't happen.

It's a logical contradiction.

Maybe I'm interpreting your words too strictly. God wants everyone to repent, be baptized, and be good. But he will never force you because that's against the basics of existence: free agency.

Interesting. Let me ask you this: say the person died and you didn't do your proxy baptism thing, would God still see if they want to repent?

Originally posted by Surtur
Interesting. Let me ask you this: say the person died and you didn't do your proxy baptism thing, would God still see if they want to repent?

Answer: all baptism for the dead (proxy baptisms) will be completed during the 1,000 years of peace without exceptions. All will be given a chance in this life or the next to participate and accept the Plan.

None are missed. All are given the opportunity.

So if you are an atheist or ignostic and lived a very good life but due to circumstances, it was impossible for you to have a genuine encounter with The Gospel during your life, and you would have given it a genuine try if presented with it, you will get a chance in the next life.

There are 4 existential estates in Mormonism:

First estate: Preexistence - prior to being born into this reality as a mortal. Only as a spirit.

Second Estate: Existence - the here and now in this universe as a mortal.

Third Estate - After death but before resurrection.

Fourth Estate - A Paradisaical Glory in Heaven or Outer Darkness (hell) where people go if they reject God and everything related to Him.

The Fourth Estate inheritance is dependent upon the actions, choices, and current positions you have at the end of your Third Estate. "The content of your heart."

Keeping your First Estate as a spirit was rejecting Lucifer's Plan and Accepting God's Plan and/or wanting to live an existence in one of the nearly infinite other roles you can fulfill as an eternal being. However, the Second Estate is very specific in that only those who specifically chose to become mortal to grow and develop are allowed to move on from the first estate.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're right. That's why it isn't taught, is considered false doctrine, and you'll get in trouble if you teach it in the church. 🙂

No. lol

They never believed that. That's some weird anti-Mormon belief that got made up to slander us. That's upthere with the blood sacrifices we supposedly did in our temples.

Lol, same as above.

That contradicts one of the very earliest Mormon-theological beliefs that all of our spirits were created before this universe even existed. 👆

Never did. The only gotcha you might have is that some taught the mark of Cain false doctrine and it was never official doctrine. Only 5 or 6 events occurred in the Church history to formally canonize scripture and doctrine. One of those was formally striking down the racist false doctrine about the Mark of Cain.

Ok then. I'm glad to hear your religion doesn't have those crazy beliefs and never did. Although, I can't help wondering, if your church did in fact hold those beliefs would you be open about it and admit it? I doubt anyone would want to admit their religion taught those things.

Does your church have ties to the Masons?

What do you say to this:

www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Mormons/sickos.htm

Is that all a lie as well?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't worry. When you die, I will ensure my Mormon Army does your baptism for the dead work in our temples.

Originally posted by Surtur
Wait you guys got zombies in your temples?

Oh whoops there isn't a comma after "baptism".

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Good Post.

Originally posted by dadudemon

It's the little things like that which makes Mormons so amazing. We are always looking out for everyone. We love everyone.

hug

In all honesty, every Mormon I've met has always been among the nicest people ever. There was a Mormon family in our neighborhood as a kid, and I remember the neighborhood parents gossiping about them constantly. They'd watch the Mormons from their living room windows, start rumors, and scare us kids with ideas about cults and polygamy. I think everyone was jealous or something. The Mormon parents exercised frequently and looked great while everyone else was growing their beer bellies out. We played with the son a lot, and I was like "the worst thing about them is that they invite us to dinner all the time." They weren't trying to proselytize folks and even the dog was tv sitcom sweet.

It's ****ed up we live in an age where being nice makes people hate you though. Wtf?

I had another Mormon friend who became atheist as an adult. He just said theism no longer resonates with him, but he still carries all the Mormon values. He lives in Japan with his wife and kid now, and offered me a free spot whenever I decide to come visit.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, they can reject it. At the very basics of core beliefs for Mormonism is free-agency. Some call this free will.

We can do posthumous proxy baptisms all day long but it's still up to God and the deceased person. It's like putting a recycle bin out on the street: doesn't mean people will use it.