World Forger VS Dr Manhattan

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CatL18 Senior Member

World Forger VS Dr Manhattan

Which will win?

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/World_Forger_(Prime_Earth)

VS

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Jonathan_Osterman

DeadpoolXXX Fraggin' Bastiches

manhattan.

both are about to get chumped by superman tho

CatL18 Senior Member

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
manhattan.

both are about to get chumped by superman tho


WF even seems to confirm it.
Off course, They are far far almost infinitely above ordinary Superman though.

BrolyBlack Restricted

How on earth can DM best him?

CatL18 Senior Member

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
How on earth can DM best him?

DM is now omniversal being coming from another multiverse.
Dooms Day Clock #10 even confirmed that he is not bound by "settings" which bind almost every characters in DC omniverse.
He is now almost metafictional analogy to Alan Moore.
So, I personally think DM will win.
What do you think?

Senor Cage Senior Member

Reality manipulation.

xJLxKing Senior Member

Originally posted by CatL18
WF even seems to confirm it.
Off course, They are far far almost infinitely above ordinary Superman though.

No, I think you're wrong. I don't think WF was speaking about Superman literally defeating 1v1. Instead, it's about Superman's ability to convince his league (Batman most of all) that the WF's plan is wrong. He also knows that killing Superman would likely get the JL to change the mind. By putting him in a person, he can effectively say Superman killed himself trying to leave; Batman continue to use the suit to change the universe/being (ALE?)

Same with DM. He isnt trying to kill Superman. Dude's still learning about the structure of the DC universe (he just learned what magic really is). He also can't see what happens after Superman punches him. Considering john's direction so far, this isn't a Superman vs DM. It's more like DM is despair, Superman is hope. viewpoints only..

CatL18 Senior Member

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, I think you're wrong. I don't think WF was speaking about Superman literally defeating 1v1. Instead, it's about Superman's ability to convince his league (Batman most of all) that the WF's plan is wrong. He also knows that killing Superman would likely get the JL to change the mind. By putting him in a person, he can effectively say Superman killed himself trying to leave; Batman continue to use the suit to change the universe/being (ALE?)

Same with DM. He isnt trying to kill Superman. Dude's still learning about the structure of the DC universe (he just learned what magic really is). He also can't see what happens after Superman punches him. Considering john's direction so far, this isn't a Superman vs DM. It's more like DM is despair, Superman is hope. viewpoints only..


I can agree in many point.
I only think despite They can easily kill Superman with their immense power, they can't kill the idea of Superman that Good guy always win.
Off course, I don't doubt that DM and WF are infinitely above Superman in strength. Despite that, they can't erase the idea od Superman. And Superman will find the way at last. It is metafictional concept rather than actual power.

DeadpoolXXX Fraggin' Bastiches

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, I think you're wrong. I don't think WF was speaking about Superman literally defeating 1v1. Instead, it's about Superman's ability to convince his league (Batman most of all) that the WF's plan is wrong. He also knows that killing Superman would likely get the JL to change the mind. By putting him in a person, he can effectively say Superman killed himself trying to leave; Batman continue to use the suit to change the universe/being (ALE?)

Same with DM. He isnt trying to kill Superman. Dude's still learning about the structure of the DC universe (he just learned what magic really is). He also can't see what happens after Superman punches him. Considering john's direction so far, this isn't a Superman vs DM. It's more like DM is despair, Superman is hope. viewpoints only..

but forger actually says that if superman fights him they will ALL die.

Diesldude Senior Member

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, I think you're wrong. I don't think WF was speaking about Superman literally defeating 1v1. Instead, it's about Superman's ability to convince his league (Batman most of all) that the WF's plan is wrong. He also knows that killing Superman would likely get the JL to change the mind. By putting him in a person, he can effectively say Superman killed himself trying to leave; Batman continue to use the suit to change the universe/being (ALE?)

Same with DM. He isnt trying to kill Superman. Dude's still learning about the structure of the DC universe (he just learned what magic really is). He also can't see what happens after Superman punches him. Considering john's direction so far, this isn't a Superman vs DM. It's more like DM is despair, Superman is hope. viewpoints only..

I disagree with this, didn’t Batman move the star that was keeping Superman alive? This move would have likely killed Superman, who knows maybe batman has a plan but at this moment, he’s sacrificed Superman for the greater good which WF could have done if he could. Dying Superman willed himself a strength feat not many can match at full power.