Originally posted by zopzopAnnihilus doesn't beat Mjolnir in an energy absorption contest...let's be honest here. But that wasn't my point -- it was to show that different match-ups can go different way. I'm not saying that 100% of the time that's how the fight would go.
Philo, Annihilus was operating on a whole other level during that arc. Thor is in no way replicating that feat or even coming close to it.
Originally posted by MrMind
no one can take forum surfer 1 on 1, not even Thor
Originally posted by Damborgson
If you're ever interested in BZ'ing that, that would be a really fun one 👆
Mr Mind...I suggest you don't take this, lol.
Besides the obvious 'Mjolnir neutralizes him completely', if you think Hal was drainable...you haven't seen Surfer.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Annihilus doesn't beat Mjolnir in an energy absorption contest...let's be honest here. But that wasn't my point -- it was to show that different match-ups can go different way. I'm not saying that 100% of the time that's how the fight would go.Mr Mind...I suggest you don't take this, lol.
Besides the obvious 'Mjolnir neutralizes him completely', if you think Hal was drainable...you haven't seen Surfer.
Originally posted by zopzopYou do realize this is circular logic, no?
During that arc, Annihilus sure as hell did beat out anything Mjolnir has done. He drained Marvel's premier energy manipulator.
You're defending Annihilus draining Quasar, by saying that Annihilus drained Quasar as a feat.
Originally posted by zopzopWhat does using a shield against Galactus have to do with Thor draining him? What does using a shield to deflect Thanos w/IG's random blast, also? Doom has taken a blast, too. As have other characters. I don't understand what you're arguing here, exactly, that Quasar is powerful, and makes good constructs? Well, sure. But we're talking about draining.
I mean Quasar has gone up against Galactus/a Rogue Watcher/Thanos with the IG and used the Quantum Bands to redirect their attacks.
Watchers are jobbers, Rulk beat one. Thor took the totality of Chaos King's hit, turned it back on him, and killed him. But -- just to make sure -- your position, surely, is not that Quasar is a better energy absorber than Mjolnir?
Because if you want to proceed that way -- I have plenty of scans of Quasar's energy absorption, too. Not so flattering ones. Are you sure you want everybody to see them?
Originally posted by leonidas
check out thor 437 to see how masterson did against quasar. full out thor would decimate him. the bands also don't deal well (or consistently) vs magic. quasar had the one bubble showing that you're relying on. he is not in thor's class--not a serious thor.and thor/ss bz would be fun to see....
Originally posted by Philosophía
You do realize this is circular logic, no?You're defending Annihilus draining Quasar, by saying that Annihilus drained Quasar as a feat.
What does using a shield against Galactus have to do with Thor draining him? What does using a shield to deflect Thanos w/IG's random blast, also? Doom has taken a blast, too. As have other characters. I don't understand what you're arguing here, exactly, that Quasar is powerful, and makes good constructs? Well, sure. But we're talking about draining.
Watchers are jobbers, Rulk beat one. Thor took the totality of Chaos King's hit, turned it back on him, and killed him. But -- just to make sure -- your position, surely, is not that Quasar is a better energy absorber than Mjolnir?
Because if you want to proceed that way -- I have plenty of scans of Quasar's energy absorption, too. Not so flattering ones. Are you sure you want everybody to see them?
Originally posted by zopzopI typed fast - I meant Chaos King Glory [the one Damborg referenced] - the one with the power of a whole patheon of 10,000 gods. Loeb Force Rulk was on the ropes in the rematch against Thor and got beaten by Green Scar and was treated like a bug by Galactus. But that's just a feat [Mjolnir obviously has much more] and just a character that's humiliated the Watcher [there's more here, too].
When did Thor beat CK or even redirct his blast? Scans? And you are using Loebforce Rulk as an example? He was doing ridiculous sh|t like laughing off Dormammu in the Dark Dimension, KOing Grandmaster, and destroying Surfer and crew. Show me non Loeb Force Rulk doing anything impressive.
My question, on the other hand, is on your whole argument - do you think that Quasar is a better energy absorber than Mjolnir? Do you think Annihilus is a better energy absorber than Mjolnir?
Originally posted by Philosophía
I typed fast - I meant Chaos King Glory [the one Damborg referenced] - the one with the power of a whole patheon of 10,000 gods. Loeb Force Rulk was on the ropes in the rematch against Thor and got beaten by Green Scar and was treated like a bug by Galactus. But that's just a feat [Mjolnir obviously has much more] and just a character that's humiliated the Watcher [there's more here, too].My question, on the other hand, is on your whole argument - do you think that Quasar is a better energy absorber than Mjolnir? Do you think Annihilus is a better energy absorber than Mjolnir?
Didn't Loebforce Rulk go up against OF Thor? I could have sworn he still had a portion of it when he faced off vs Rulk. And what's wrong with the Galactus showing? A PISSED off Galactus out to kill blasts Rulk and Loebforce Rulk lives. Loebforce Rulk had nothing but insane showings. Post Loebforce, Rulk is a joke and that's not my opinion, it's backed up with on panel showings.
And yes, I believe the Q-bands > Mjolnir in terms of energy manipulation. See Maelstrom as proof.
Originally posted by zopzopThe prayer has nothing to do with Mjolnir's energy absorption.
Glory showed up in ONE issue and is COMPLETELY featless. Even still, Thor needed a 'prayer' amp to take it out.
Glory is specifically the embodiment of an entire pantheon of Gods -- in case it's not clear, he's the guy holding planets/moons and crushing them like grapes [https://imgur.com/Iok1gzm], operating on an abstract level to the point that Thor's mind interprets its form [https://imgur.com/x09VQnf], capable of casually attacking at all levels [mind/body/spirit: https://imgur.com/ng29TJg] and the totality of its power [which was absorbed my mjolnir] tears reality itself [https://i.imgur.com/Ri5lQIN.jpg]
Featless? Do you want this to go both ways, or do you prefer to be selective, about what you answer and what you present? What feats does the Watcher Quasar went up against have?
I'll wait.
Originally posted by zopzopThe point of Galactus is that you're behaving like Rulk is some sort of cosmic god - thus the G example to show that he is not - and also the Green Scar/Thor example to show that he is not even above them, either.
Didn't Loebforce Rulk go up against OF Thor? I could have sworn he still had a portion of it when he faced off vs Rulk. And what's wrong with the Galactus showing? A PISSED off Galactus out to kill blasts Rulk and Loebforce Rulk lives. Loebforce Rulk had nothing but insane showings. Post Loebforce, Rulk is a joke and that's not my opinion, it's backed up with on panel showings.
Tell me, is Lunatik also a cosmic god?
https://imgur.com/a/LgLc1Ig
Originally posted by zopzopI didn't ask you about energy manipulation, I asked you about energy absorption. Surfer is a better energy manipulator than Thor, but a weaker energy absorber.
And yes, I believe the Q-bands > Mjolnir in terms of energy manipulation. See Maelstrom as proof.
If you think that Quasar is a better energy absorber then - by all means - let us begin, and I shall know to fetch the scans.
Originally posted by Philosophía
The prayer has nothing to do with Mjolnir's energy absorption.Glory is specifically the embodiment of an entire pantheon of Gods -- in case it's not clear, he's the guy holding planets/moons and crushing them like grapes [https://imgur.com/Iok1gzm], operating on an abstract level to the point that Thor's mind interprets its form [https://imgur.com/x09VQnf], capable of casually attacking at all levels [mind/body/spirit: https://imgur.com/ng29TJg] and the totality of its power [which was absorbed my mjolnir] tears reality itself [https://i.imgur.com/Ri5lQIN.jpg]
Featless? Do you want this to go both ways, or do you prefer to be selective, about what you answer and what you present? What feats does the Watcher Quasar went up against have?
I'll wait.
The point of Galactus is that you're behaving like Rulk is some sort of cosmic god - thus the G example to show that he is not - and also the Green Scar/Thor example to show that he is not even above them, either.
Tell me, is Lunatik also a cosmic god?
https://imgur.com/a/LgLc1IgI didn't ask you about energy manipulation, I asked you about energy absorption. Surfer is a better energy manipulator than Thor, but a weaker energy absorber.
If you think that Quasar is a better energy absorber then - by all means - let us begin, and I shall know to fetch the scans.
I also love how you focused on the Watcher only and ignored Quasar deflecting attacks from Thanos with the IG and Galactus. Doom went up against a crippled IG (Thanos was only using the PG). The Q-bands were up against the whole thing. And regarding the Watcher, Stranger had to step in to finally end the fight.
As to the Watcher/Lunatik example was the Watcher even trying to fight back (like the Rogue vs Quasar)? He could have been faking it like the Watcher during the Starblast story line. The Watcher was 'captured' and 'beaten' by the Starblasters (or whatever that villain group's name was) but then the narrator admitted that he could up and leave any time he felt like but he WANTED to be there to watch what was unfolding.
The Quantum Bands are THE energy manipulating/absorbing artifacts in Marvel. Maelstrom with full knowledge on how to use them went up against Thanos with the full IG and laughed off a blast to his face.
Originally posted by zopzopI focused on Watcher, because it was the only example you gave that involves energy draining -- which is the topic we're discussing. You asked for feats by Glory - I gave you - I asked, in reciprocity, feats for the Watcher Quasar went up against - you gave me nothing. Now you're using circular logic again [lol] - "Thor beat Glory, but Glory can't impressive, because Thor beat her" [what in the actual f*ck, zop?].
I stand by my featless comment. Glory appeared for one issue and only went up against Thor. In the end, it couldn't even beat a High Herald (yes I'm aware of the prayer amp saving him). And I'm not impressed with the flowery language describing Glory or it's supposed power (look at Masterson Thor vs Dargo, Jean vs Prof X, Aaron the Rogue vs Uatu, etc...).I also love how you focused on the Watcher only and ignored Quasar deflecting attacks from Thanos with the IG and Galactus. Doom went up against a crippled IG (Thanos was only using the PG). The Q-bands were up against the whole thing. And regarding the Watcher, Stranger had to step in to finally end the fight.
As to the Watcher/Lunatik example was the Watcher even trying to fight back (like the Rogue vs Quasar)? He could have been faking it like the Watcher during the Starblast story line. The Watcher was 'captured' and 'beaten' by the Starblasters (or whatever that villain group's name was) but then the narrator admitted that he could up and leave any time he felt like but he WANTED to be there to watch what was unfolding.
The Quantum Bands are THE energy manipulating/absorbing artifacts in Marvel. Maelstrom with full knowledge on how to use them went up against Thanos with the full IG and laughed off a blast to his face.
Deflecting attacks has literally nothing to do with energy absorption - which is what Annihilus did to Quasar - and what Thor could do to him, too. How does this 'how many apples equal a chair' go in your head? Annihilus energy absorption is above Thanos w/IG because...Quasar deflected a random blast? Galactus was really lucky in Annihilation that Annihilus didn't suddenly turn his CCR against him, since Annihilus > Quasar > Thanos w/IG > Galactus.
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It's like you asking me for Mjolnir's absorption feats, and me going on random tangents "OH look here's Thor summoning the storm, why don't you look at it?!". Because that's not what the subject of the discussion is about.
Now you're asking me to prove a negative? That Watcher is not 'faking it' against Lunatik? That he's not faking it against Rulk? Should I put the burden of proof on you that the Watcher Quasar went up against wasn't playing 6D underwater chess and let Quasar think he was draining his power? This is not how any of this works.
Zop, do I really have to go "let me google that for you" to see the difference between energy absorption, energy manipulation, energy projection, constructs etc. ? I mean, seriously? When you go to the grocery store, and you ask for 10 apples, and the salesman puts 2 kg of bacon, do you go "eh, it's all food, I'll take it"?
This is so weird.
Originally posted by zopzop
Leo, reread that issue. Masterson Thor did nothing to Quasar. His own Q-Bands turned against him because he was mind controlled.
huh? the bands did have a fail-safe but he admitted the magic bolt would have done the same thing to him, while he admits the bands are useless against magic--that was shown a couple times in the series. and that was a useless masterson. if REAL thor, REALLY fought, quasar would get his arse wrecked, in a hurry. masterson also crushed a bubble without much trouble and the whole time he was worried about hurting quasar. i love quasar, but he's a full tier below someone like thor.
