Originally posted by Bashar Teg
nah, he just oversimplified complex issues and spewed outright horseshit. my favorite was when he claimed that he didnt get polio because he swam in a river of shit, and so all kids should swim in water tainted by human feces.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
so basically you're saying that my opinion isn't valid because it hurt your feelings, which is totally fine as well
Of course your opinion matters to me, otherwise i wouldnt interact with you.
Im saying the subtext of your opinion is dystonic to what you actually said, so lemme try this with a question.
Even tho you dont like his jokes or style, do you understand his place of importance to comedy?
Just so you know he isnt my favorite and my overall attitude towards stand up has changed post trump world.
My favorite comedian for your reference is sam hyde.
Who is your favorite?
he was extremely funny at times, but then he started preaching his dumb ideas, making it obvious that he believed them. how can anyone watch and be like "yeah he's right, bro" when carlin blames the name 'ptsd' for all the ptsd suffered among war veterans. then he asserted that calling it "shell shock" would have magically saved lives. That's not offensive to me, just stupid and not funny
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
he was extremely funny at times, but then he started preaching his dumb ideas, making it obvious that he believed them. how can anyone watch and be like "yeah he's right, bro" when carlin blames the name 'ptsd' for all the ptsd suffered among war veterans. then he asserted that calling it "shell shock" would have magically saved lives. That's not offensive to me, just stupid and not funny
He wasnt saying specifically that the term used for a constellation of symptoms would alleviate the symptoms, in fact his point was just that.
This concept works in contra for the reason why manipulations of language like euphemism are employed - certainly it's not for clarity's and vagueness can be weaponized by those with tyrannical impulse.
What he was saying specifically is that the crassness of a term like shell shock is congruous with the obscenities of war and the massive impact it has on the individuals involved in warfare.
An example of euphemism in an interpersonal relationship:
A man smacks his wife and breaks her nose, then describes it as amateur facial reconstructive surgery.
I just got a book today called doublespeak by william lutz that would really help illuminate this idea and how it relates to Carlin's joke.
Originally posted by BackFire
I love Carlin. But of course, over the course of a 40 year career in comedy he's going to say some silly things just to get a laugh. He had some great insights though.Think the best comic of today is Doug Stanhope.
Stanhope is the man. Norm MacDonald as underrated silver placer
Originally posted by ilikecomics
He wasnt saying specifically that the term used for a constellation of symptoms would alleviate the symptoms, in fact his point was just that.
This concept works in contra for the reason why manipulations of language like euphemism are employed - certainly it's not for clarity's and vagueness can be weaponized by those with tyrannical impulse.What he was saying specifically is that the crassness of a term like shell shock is congruous with the obscenities of war and the massive impact it has on the individuals involved in warfare.
An example of euphemism in an interpersonal relationship:
A man smacks his wife and breaks her nose, then describes it as amateur facial reconstructive surgery.I just got a book today called doublespeak by william lutz that would really help illuminate this idea and how it relates to Carlin's joke.
"shell shock" was a euphemism, in addition to being a useless metaphor.
"post traumatic stress disorder" is a properly descriptive and medically correct term. also, I agreed that "operational exhaustion" was a crappy term, not because of the syllables but because it made them sound like broken down equipment.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
"shell shock" was a euphemism, in addition to being a useless metaphor.
"post traumatic stress disorder" is a properly descriptive and medically correct term. also, I agreed that "operational exhaustion" was a crappy term, not because of the syllables but because it made them sound like broken down equipment.
Then maybe there is some merit to what carlin says, it just isnt necessarily funny.
Originally posted by Bashar TegI still don't like PTSD as a term because it's how you define trauma. If it's the same as being hit by a shell, then sure, I'm okay with that. If there's like a scale, then that'd be even better.
"shell shock" was a euphemism, in addition to being a useless metaphor.
"post traumatic stress disorder" is a properly descriptive and medically correct term. also, I agreed that "operational exhaustion" was a crappy term, not because of the syllables but because it made them sound like broken down equipment.