Originally posted by Senor Cage
Yes, but Mxy wiped out ALL cosmics and characters throughout the DC Omniverse. Recently, in JL, he was destroying ALL of creation, including the pencil drawing the comic. He's far and above Scathan.
The same thing Protege would effortessly do if not for Scathan. Who is Scathan remains a mystery till this day.
Originally posted by Inedian
Aren't Lucifer and Michael on even higher level than Mxy though? Than also Dr Manhattan who is nowhere near feats of Mxy?
In the story, we see the Vertigo characters and thus the their Multiverse. Mxy wiped out everything, like I said. No other character has that type of feat.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Why would Spectre (sent by his boss) lose to a planet scale attack?Comics son. Like Venom stomping Superman in the canon Almagam joint.
Once again you're deflecting the point.
Comics. They are "comics" after all.
Sure, with pleasure Abhi.
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The LT was confirmed 4 yearS prior to the Protege arc, as being an Omniversal entity:
And was also stated to be peers against beings from other multiverses around the same time.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Quasar/Issue-50?id=54874
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Beyonder was the embodiment of his own Universe, and a multi-universal power:
Only universal.
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Hawkgod was nigh-Multiversal;
"is your [b]Multiversal maturity finally at hand?"
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Don't kid yourself. Hawkgod has no feats at even universal level much less multiversal level.
Eternity was the embodiment of the Multiverse:
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Eternity literally says it is not alone in the infinite multiverse. It was a universe, Aron even removed Surfer by walking out of the universe.
And ... the LT was above all of them:
Surely above Multiversal, (Eternity) and validated omniversal 4 years prior, therefore, ... Omniversal. [/B]
Oh you.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Once again you're deflecting the point.
Venom >> Superman
We're dealing with comics. It's not always logical. In fact, less times than most.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And was also stated to be peers against beings from other multiverses around the same time.
No "peers" during the Protege affair.
Scathan, was actually above the LT. Scathan the enigma.
But if only TOAA was above the LT, then that alludes Scathan to be ... something special.
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And, NO peers during this drama either.
LT stated that Erishkigal was a potential peer to the Abstracts BENEATH him.
As for himself:
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That's aside from the LT being Omniscient:
Nice find Abhi. 👆
Originally posted by abhilegend
Only universal.
But who's counting.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't kid yourself. Hawkgod has no feats at even universal level much less multiversal level.
And btw, he was "less" than Multiversal.
Hawkgod was NIGH-Multiversal as definitively stated by Eternity.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Eternity literally says it is not alone in the infinite multiverse.
So, you were under the impression Eternity was the only sentience in the Multiverse? 😂
Eternity is made up of countless sentient beings, and has Abstract associates like the hierarchy.
And, the writer (via Eternity) placed Hawkgod at NIGH-Multiversal ...
... but the writer clearly placed Eternity ABOVE Hawkgod ...
... but somehow you believe the writer portrayed Eternity as "universal"
even though this was a Multiversal drama the entire time.
Lowball till you run out of lowballs.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh you.
Originally posted by abhilegendwell said👆
Once again you're deflecting the point.And was also stated to be peers against beings from other multiverses around the same time.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Quasar/Issue-50?id=54874
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Only universal.
Don't kid yourself. Hawkgod has no feats at even universal level much less multiversal level.
Eternity literally says it is not alone in the infinite multiverse. It was a universe, Aron even removed Surfer by walking out of the universe.
Oh you.
as far as marvel concerend
If the comics says galalxy, it actually means AT LEAST universe
If the comics says universe, it actually means AT LEAST multiverse
If the comics says multierse, it actually means AT LEAST omniverse/megaverse
THESE ARE THE BASIC RULES
if you interpret the scans as what it's intended, WELL THAT'S JUST LOWBALLING
we simply can't have that !!!
Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah, just giving you common sense about comics.Venom >> Superman
We're dealing with comics. It's not always logical. In fact, less times than most.
That does not mean you can just say anything and want us to accept it as a truth because comics don't make sense sometimes. That's not how this works.
😐 ...
No "peers" during the Protege affair.
Scathan, was actually above the LT. Scathan the enigma.
That also means LT was lying.
But if only TOAA was above the LT, then that alludes Scathan to be ... something special.
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Only if you accept LT as absolutely truthful which I don't.
And, NO peers during this drama either.
LT stated that Erishkigal was a potential peer to the Abstracts BENEATH him.
As for himself:
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Big talk from LT as usual. If he was so much more powerful, he could've just taken Starbrand from her. He didn't.
That's aside from the LT being Omniscient:
Nice find Abhi. 👆
facepalm
Multi-Universal:
But who's counting.
That's not multi universal in the least.
No counter, so you'll just dismiss Eternity gauging Hawkgod's status/power for us.
And btw, he was "less" than Multiversal.
Hawkgod was NIGH-Multiversal as definitively stated by Eternity.
facepalm ...
So, you were under the impression Eternity was the only sentience in the Multiverse? 😂
Eternity is made up of countless sentient beings, and has Abstract associates like the hierarchy.
And, [b]the writer (via Eternity) placed Hawkgod at NIGH-Multiversal ...
... but the writer clearly placed Eternity ABOVE Hawkgod ...
... but somehow you believe the writer portrayed Eternity as "universal"
even though this was a Multiversal drama the entire time.
Lowball till you run out of lowballs.
Are correct? Yes, thanx I know. [/B]
If only we go by random statements. Kindly show any feat of Hawkgod which show him as even universal. I'll wait.
Originally posted by Mr Master
----------------------------------------------------------------You also forgot this Ab:
The [b]LT
was confirmed 4 yearS prior to the Protege arc, as being an Omniversal entity:... son of man these nuts yur mouth. ... yawn [/B]
GOTG LT was encompassed by a multiverse as Protege stated.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That does not mean you can just say anything and want us to accept it as a truth because comics don't make sense sometimes. That's not how this works.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That also means LT was lying.Only if you accept LT as absolutely truthful which I don't.
That's Gallaguer (the writer) talking through him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Big talk from LT as usual. If he was so much more powerful,
he could've just taken Starbrand from her. He didn't.
It's a "Quasar" book, where Quasar needs to be the hero.
In the end, Quasar saves the day.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not multi universal in the least.
Originally posted by abhilegend
If only we go by random statements.Kindly show any feat of Hawkgod which show him as even universal. I'll wait.
I'll wait.
In Marvel Comics, during the Protege arc,
Hawkgod was gauged at NIGH-Multiversal by Gallaguer the writer via Eternity.
Any qualms with this fact, needs to be emailed to Gallaguer. I'm only conveying his portrayals.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Different writers, different books.LT's primary objective is the mainstream Multiverse. This doesn't mean he's limited to such.
GOTG LT was encompassed by a multiverse as Protege stated.
LT's primary objective is the mainstream Multiverse, this doesn't mean he's limited to such.
There are other instances where he was declared Multi-Multiversal
and was sill encompassed by Multiversal Eternity inside the same book/story.
So, iyo, the writer had the LT above Multiversal Eternity although the LT was only Multiversal.
And, although the writer clearly had Hawkgod as NIGH-Multiversal,
somehow Eternity, who was above him, was universal but above universal Beyonder.
And Beyonder was able to Dimension hop with universal power
making him a Multi-universal threat, was strangely only universal.
I disagree completely but I respect your opinion. 🙂
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I already proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that during the Protege affair:
The LT was BEYOND Multiversal - Eternity was Multiversal -
Hawkgod was NIGH-Multiversal - Beyonder was MULTI-Universal
Protege became bigger than all of them,
and then Scathan easily defeated ALL the above powers combined.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The scene in the Ultimates is unambiguously just a representation of the previous multiverse being reborn to the new multiverse/omniverse.Owen even uses Cat in the box to demonstrate it so that Galactus understands it, "same broom, new handle" just seals the deal.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
👆its just owen demonstrating the human thought experiment for galactus.
theres nothing "real" about the multiverse there. another myth busted.
Originally posted by MrMindYeah, this is probably true, tbh.
next page, it's completely cleared to us that owen is just showing visual representations of different shits for giggles
The same thought experiment(complete with the 'cat in a box' analogy) has been used in other comics to help explain the concept of quantum possibilities:
"Point being, whatever you may think you know, you don't really know what's in the box until you open it up and look inside."
tl;dr
I think it could have very well just been a visual representation of the previous multiverse that Owen whipped-up for Lifebringer, just to make him realize that much of what used to be still was... Akin to the visual representation of a universe that Franklin whipped-up for Galactus here:
srug
Originally posted by Galan007👆👆👆
Yeah, this is probably true, tbh.The same thought experiment(complete with the 'cat in a box' analogy) has been used in other comics to help explain the concept of quantum possibilities:
"Point being, whatever you may think you know, you don't really know what's in the box until you open it up and look inside."
tl;dr
I think it could have very well just been a visual representation of the previous multiverse that Owen whipped-up for Lifebringer, just to make him realize that much of what used to be still was... Akin to the visual representation of a universe that Franklin whipped-up for Galactus here:srug
crazy to me that some people are actually still trying to pretend like is was a real multiverse. some just cant see beyond their own biases lol
Originally posted by Mr Master
So Venom >> Superman. I disagree, but if you say so.
Don't be daft.
LT is not real friend. As a fictional creation, LT does not operate in emotions.
That's Gallaguer (the writer) talking through him.
Or the writer was writing a hyperbole.
You're missing the point of a comic.
It's a "Quasar" book, where Quasar needs to be the hero.
In the end, Quasar saves the day.
Again, that's not how it works. Quasar even lost at the end of the fight, Surfer won.
😐
Nah, the burden of proof to prove a negative is on you son.
I'll wait.
Already did.
In Marvel Comics, during the Protege arc,
[b]Hawkgod was gauged at NIGH-Multiversal by Gallaguer the writer via Eternity.Any qualms with this fact, needs to be emailed to Gallaguer. I'm only conveying his portrayals.
So concession accepted that you got no feats on that level for hawkgod. Good.
Different writers, same characters though.
LT's primary objective is the mainstream Multiverse, this doesn't mean he's limited to such.
There are other instances where he was declared Multi-Multiversal
and was sill encompassed by Multiversal Eternity inside the same book/story.
Not in GOTG though.
So, iyo, the writer had the LT above Multiversal Eternity although the LT was only Multiversal.
And, although the writer clearly had Hawkgod as NIGH-Multiversal,
somehow Eternity, who was above him, was universal but above universal Beyonder.
Both Eternity and Hawkgod were universal.
And Beyonder was able to Dimension hop with universal power
making him a Multi-universal threat, was strangely only universal.
Going to another universe doesn't makes you multi universal.
I disagree completely but I respect your opinion. 🙂
Whatever.
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I already proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that during the Protege affair:
The LT was BEYOND Multiversal - Eternity was Multiversal -
Hawkgod was NIGH-Multiversal - Beyonder was MULTI-Universal
Protege became bigger than all of them,
and then Scathan easily defeated ALL the above powers combined. [/B]
Only in your dreams. Eternity/Hawkgod were universal. LT was possibly multiversal. That's it.
