World Forger vs Living Tribunal

Started by Galan0077 pages

Originally posted by carver9
I can shake a car.
Physical analogies are irrelevant here, tbh.

Can you shake the sky by yelling?

"recoils in terror" is not the same as physically shaking.
The multiverse was afraid of Barbatos because of his scream, which is pretty über, but it's not the same.

exactly

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
living tribunal transcends all this creations, he judges all.
He transcends the overspace which is beyond and above eternity, are you serious?
iow, none?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
iow, none?

Feat-wise, LT is quite weak. He lost to the Protege, lost to the mecha Beyonders, lost to HOTI Thanos, lost to Lord Chaos & Master Order, the list goes on. He also failed to defeat Korvak, and was blinded by Magus using a couple of Cosmic Cubes. And so on. This guy's history is a history of failure.

He did manage to ALMOST trap Dr. Strange once. I guess that counts for something?

Originally posted by Magnon
Feat-wise, LT is quite weak. He lost to the Protege, lost to the mecha Beyonders, lost to HOTI Thanos, lost to Lord Chaos & Master Order, the list goes on. He also failed to defeat Korvak, and was blinded by Magus using a couple of Cosmic Cubes. And so on. This guy's history is a history of failure.

He did manage to ALMOST trap Dr. Strange once. I guess that counts for something?


And like swag, he really only governs magical balance...

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

Alot of heroes has "shook" reality.

doesn't automatically make them universe busters


Like Odin vs Seth shaking the multiverse.

So, under these guidelines ... they're "multiversal" ... 🤨 ... and, lol.

Originally posted by Magnon

Feat-wise, LT is quite weak.

1) He lost to the Protege,

2) lost to the mecha Beyonders,

3) lost to HOTI Thanos,

4) lost to Lord Chaos & Master Order,

5) the list goes on.

6) He also failed to defeat Korvak,

7) and was blinded by Magus using a couple of Cosmic Cubes.

8) He did manage to ALMOST trap Dr. Strange once.


1) Protege copied LT's power amongst others.

2) "mecha?" ... Anyway, the BeyonderS (post 85' Beyonder retcon)
have always secretly been the most powerful in Marvel.

3) HOTI was the power of TOAA.

4) Due to a stipulated circumstantial plot CIS in Ewing's new cosmology.

5) What else ya got on this "list?"

6) Scans of LT battling Korvac?
Scans of Korvac even ever knowing the LT was ever there?
Scans of the LT attacking Korvac with his own power?

7) LT was not "blinded" ... that's just false. Magus hid himself from LT's senses, nothing more.

8) 😆 ... Dr Strange conceded the LT could've erased him with a thought.
Luckily for Strange, the LT was only testing Strange.

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I'll return with actual LT feats later.

The point is, LT's combat feats are just as bad -- or worse -- than WF's. Almost always when LT engages in a fight he loses. He's not powerful enough to guard his abilities against duplication (unlike Scathan), he's not strong enough to defeat a couple of mecha Beyonders (unlike Starbrand and Ex Nihilo & Abyss), he's not omniscient enough to pierce through the veil cast by a couple of Cosmic Cubes, etc.

Losing a fight, even if the opponent is very powerful, isn't much of a feat. Hank Pym is not universal+ even though he lost a fist fight against Eternity. Wolverine is not universal+ even though he lost a brawl against IG Thanos.

Originally posted by Magnon

The point is, LT's combat feats are just as bad -- or worse -- than WF's.

... iyo.
Originally posted by Magnon

Almost always when LT engages in a fight he loses.

False.
Originally posted by Magnon

He's not powerful enough to guard his abilities against duplication (unlike Scathan)

Interesting.

How powerful is Scathan?

Originally posted by Magnon

he's not strong enough to defeat a couple of mecha Beyonders

(unlike Starbrand and Ex Nihilo & Abyss)


Ex Nihilo/Abyss/Gardners didn't "defeat" anyone.
They warped a non-reactive (didn't defend itself or attack anyone) Beyonder into a tree.

In a surprise attack: Starbrand (using its full power suicide style)
dispersed the vulnerable shell of one Beyonder
beyond the point where it could re-incorporate itself with said shell. (m-body)

Starbrand never confronted any Beyonder directly.

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Obvious PIS/CIS in any case, unless you're actually trying to make the allusion,
that either Starbrand or Ex Nihilo/Abyss/Gardners or even together, are > LT. 😬

The LT that was portrayed as the totality of infinite universeS of Marvel rolled into one.

Originally posted by Magnon

he's not omniscient enough to pierce through the veil cast by a couple of Cosmic Cubes, etc.

Scans of the LT attempting to pierce through the "veil?"

The CCUs actively hid Magus from the spectrum of perception.
This has nothing to do with LT's omniscience.

Originally posted by Magnon

Losing a fight, even if the opponent is very powerful, isn't much of a feat. Hank Pym is not universal+ even though he lost a fist fight against Eternity. Wolverine is not universal+ even though he lost a brawl against IG Thanos.

😐 ...

Originally posted by Galan007
Physical analogies are irrelevant here, tbh.

Can you shake the sky by yelling?


Technically... yes. Sounds are vibrations in the air after all 😛

The entire sky?

Living Tribunal wins against WF and One Punch Superman simuntaneously.

LT loses to beings that would be unfazed by sun Amped Superman best punch

Where did they do any such thing?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Like Odin vs Seth shaking the multiverse.

So, under these guidelines ... they're "multiversal" ... 🤨 ... and, lol.

Carver! Pr still awaits you!!

I dont debate with mods.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did they do any such thing?

most of the jl members survived the impact

Originally posted by carver9
I dont debate with mods.

Cool.

So if I ask it, you'd answer, right? 🙂