Doctor Strange in the Multiverse Of Madness

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
since coming out of the theatre Thursday. I've thought about this film and how much I wanted to really like it. It being Raimi and all. I still say... It's ok. Nothing more or less.

I've debated with myself whether or not to see this in the theater. I'm really curious to see some new Sam Raimi work. I still found his style really fun and unique in his Spiderman movies even though he was tamed down a lot, but I don't know, it being Dr. Strange and MCU just kind of turns me off. So I'll probably just wait.

Plus I only have to wait until next week to see the Avatar 2 trailer online.

There aren't as many quips as in the original, if you're concerned about that.

There still are some, though. And yes, they feel forced.

From a visual standpoint, I found this movie highly entertaining. From a narrative standpoint, I thought it was dumb as fuk.

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This whole huge deal is made about America's ability to travel between universes, with everyone being awed and amazed by this seemingly one-of-a-kind ability... Yet, in No Way Home, Strange brought multiple characters over from other universes, literally by accident. Hell, even fukin Ned managed to do it.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
From a visual standpoint, I found this movie highly entertaining. From a narrative standpoint, I thought it was dumb as fuk.

Spoiler:
This whole huge deal is made about America's ability to travel between universes, with everyone being awed and amazed by this seemingly one-of-a-kind ability... Yet, in No Way Home, Strange brought multiple characters over from other universes, literally by accident. Hell, even fukin Ned managed to do it.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
The spoiler tagged section is also spot on.

It's not.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
From a visual standpoint, I found this movie highly entertaining. From a narrative standpoint, I thought it was dumb as fuk.

Spoiler:
This whole huge deal is made about America's ability to travel between universes, with everyone being awed and amazed by this seemingly one-of-a-kind ability... Yet, in No Way Home, Strange brought multiple characters over from other universes, literally by accident. Hell, even fukin Ned managed to do it.

Ned didn't extract Tobey and Andrew from their respective universes - that was already done before by a botched up spell.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ned didn't extract Tobey and Andrew from their respective universes - that was already done before by a botched up spell.

Even if that was the case, which seems at odds with how the rest of the spell glitched out IMO, it doesn't change the fact that universal crossovers had already happened by the time of MoM.

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Yet everyone seemed stunned by America's ability. And Strange somehow seemed to know less about the multiverse in this film than he did in No Way Home.

Also, on an unrelated note, the Illuminati were a complete and utter joke. This big reveal and all this tough talk and they get fodderized like 5 minutes later. And, of course, typical MCU combat PIS where Wanda warps two of them and kills them instantly but then decides to fire magic lasers at the others for the rest of that fight.

Like I said though, there were a lot of cool visual bits, like

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the magical music battle between the two Stranges, the sequence where Strange and America were falling through universes, the scene with Zombie Strange as well as a number of others.

What the hell was that?! The was ****in awful. Easily one of the worst Marvel films yet. Absolute drivel.

Edit: Really liked

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Strange possessing his alternate universe's corpse and then commanding the spirits. That was great.

Also, to add to what I said previously, with the home release of No Way Home they also included a video called "Ned's Bogus Adventure", which actually saw him visiting the universes the other two Spider-Men were from. And it was also revealed by the filmmakers who did No Way Home that America was originally going to appear there and be the one that links up the Spider-Men with her powers, but they decided to change it to Ned to keep her debut for this film. So, based on all of that, the intent did seem to be that Ned was portaling between universes. Which, as I said, makes the whole driving plot point of MoM absolutely idiotic.

As a massive fan of the first film, I thought that this film was decent. Not amazingly memorable, but watchably passable . It had a strong start, and

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the introduction of the Illuminati (and thus the Fantastic 4 and X Men), the concept of dreams being multiversal gateways, the power/corruption of the Agents-Of-Shield-introduced Darkhold, and Scarlet Witch being the film's primary and seemingly unstoppable antagonist rather than Strange's sidekick

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it pulls that lame TLOU2/"power of love" BS where the villain aka Wanda spends the entirety of the movie's runtime mercilessly slaughtering people, only to cop out at the last second and suddenly develop a conscience, thus rendering her relentless quest, and thus the entire film's plot, into an indecisive and meaningless waste of time in order to preserve the character's marketability. Also, IMO, Strange has weak characterization in this film compared to it's predecessor. In the first film, he underwent an amazing character arc going from selfish jerk willing to push around others to selfless hero willing to sacrifice himself, whereas here, his primary character conflict is the generic and boring "too busy being a hero to have a spouse" cliche. Also, Mordo seems to have conflict with Strange purely because the plot demands it, even when it doesn't benefit him or his superficially weak values in the slightest

While this was a fun movie in terms of spectacle and does have great fantasy concepts, it seems to be weighed down by its status as an MCU vehicle, which prevents it from becoming a fully developed standalone film. I'd give it a 7.5/10, as it was better than Iron Man 2 or Thor: The Dark World, but not as good as Guardians Of the Galaxy 2 or Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

Visually, the film was stunning and absolute eye candy.

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Wanda was massively overpowered so much that it was (no pun intended) comical. She erased Black Bolt's mouth and obliterated Reed with absolute ease, but spent the majority of the film flying around and shooting red pew-pews. Also, Black Bolt would never be so stupid as to scream like he did and kill himself. The guy has spent his entire life on focusing his powers and meditation to not utter even a breath.

I dislike how the Illuminati were so easily scrapped, but Wanda is easily on a different tier so I'll look the other way. I just hope Krasinski plays Reed in the upcoming film. I was pleasantly surprised by his appearance.

Chavez suddenly "harnessing her power" with the "eye of the tiger" was expected, but lame.

I had to explain to my daughter the preceding events of Wandavision since she hadn't seen it.

Did anyone else notice the Living Tribunal?

Overall, I enjoyed it but the fist film is superior, IMO.

7/10

i mean is it really a surprise that

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they had the two female members of the illuninati put up a far better fight against wanda then the male members?

So funny seeing people still triggered over 5 minute girl power scenes, when they don't bat an eyelash at the ubiquitous guy badassery scenes.

it didnt "trigger" me, if that's what you are implying. it just didn't surprise me.

the only part that was a bit lulz worthy was

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captain carter. she should have honestly been gestured away just as easily as the others.

Originally posted by Robtard
So funny seeing people still triggered over 5 minute girl power scenes, when they don't bat an eyelash at the ubiquitous guy badassery scenes.

Having the main character's only

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contribution in the the villain's "defeat" be a pep talk is incredibly underwhelming. It has nothing to do with gender. Especially since this pep talk was basically nothing more than "actually you CAN control your power".

just got back from seeing this..

this film is f7cking badassery awesome.

Loved Wanda nd cannt wait to see more of her..

America Chavez was great.. totally f8ckig great and m looking forward to seeing more of her..

i see a bunch male chauvinist jackass crybabies in here and im loving it and LAUGHING AT Y'ALL

anyways 9.9/10 an will see a few more times

It sucked.

4.5/10

One might ask, why didn't Wanda just recreate her fake children and create some happy pocket reality in the middle of Antarctica or other remote area, since she was powered up all the way to eleven.

So I was expecting better, but I did enjoy it. Enjoyed the horror, the blood, the cool cameos. And the character themes.

That said there were some clear plot holes. I mean jeez how long did it take Wanda to pin America down and take her powers ? Even

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zombie Strange

And yeah I agree the first film was better. But this one of course had more geek moments.

This movie was basically just some cool scenes and moments strung together by a bare-bone and shoddy plot. And those good moments were almost all pure Raimi. They should just have let him go all the way.