How did the gay community gain so much clout?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
You're rambling. Just make the point you actually want to make instead of beating around the bush like this.

How's this then:

I believe social activism of marginalized groups is based on the basic belief that most people are naturally empathetic/sympathetic/altruistic. The civil rights era never could have gained traction is people shrugged their shoulders and said "Who cares?"

Yet I see so much meanness and pettiness in politics now, I'm just not sure if that's true anymore. In which case, I have no idea WHY lecturing crowds of people who are not part of the group being discussed would feel strongly enough about the plight of one group, yet not care about another. Or if empathy has NOTHING to do with it, at all.

Originally posted by SquallX
Can you please name those so called groups?

Not being an ass, just curious since you made such a strong remark.

He can't that's how trolls roll.

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Originally posted by cdtm
How's this then:

I believe social activism of marginalized groups is based on the basic belief that most people are naturally empathetic/sympathetic/altruistic. The civil rights era never could have gained traction is people shrugged their shoulders and said "Who cares?"

Yet I see so much meanness and pettiness in politics now, I'm just not sure if that's true anymore. In which case, I have no idea WHY lecturing crowds of people who are not part of the group being discussed would feel strongly enough about the plight of one group, yet not care about another. Or if empathy has NOTHING to do with it, at all.

For whatever reason, asians and native americans seem to not be inclined to organize mass-protests or movements for more representation in American society. And that's fine. But if they don't consider their current standing in social consciousness to be problematic, then there is no reason for society to consider their current standing in social consciousness to be problematic.

Tzeen killing it in this thread

Originally posted by cdtm
This op-ed articulates a lot of questions I have about how LGBT seems uncommonly powerful for relatively tiny group of activists. Careers get ruined over it, big money lawsuits happen, social media accounts get obliterated..

Here it is:

https://www.postandcourier.com/opinion/how-did-gay-community-gain-so-much-clout/article_3e0a0806-a5ab-5efd-8435-ce1a82b28937.html

Pretty fair points here, imo. You certainly don't see Asians or Native Americans with anywhere near this level of "taboo-ism". Even the Muslim and Jewish communities are nowhere near as well protected from slander, to the point where even a hint of bigotry ends a career (Or protects one from wrong doing).

Originally posted by Robtard
Tzeen killing it in this thread

Originally posted by SquallX
I personally think it’s a two fold answer. Also, Gays and LGBT’s are two different beast. Most gay people in this day in age don’t really care about the frivolity and the mundane shits of not being represented. Gays knows in the West they have it made, because let’s be honest, when was the last time you saw an attack on gay people. It happens, but it’s rare.

Now as for LGBT’s

Those in power are using the LGBT’s as a way to divide people. They’ve even went so far as to **** with kids. Dressing them in drags and all that shits, and you say something, your anti.

And the second part, the majority of people just don’t care enough about such things. Myself personally could careless about anyone’s preferences, and those in power sees this, so they use it to divide us.

LGBT people are the second most-targeted group for bias-motivated violence in the United States, despite comprising ~10% of the population.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
The answer is the same as before: closed mouths don't get fed. Do you understand what it took for the civil rights movement to gain traction? It took a CENTURY of black people organizing protests, debating people on a national stage, and getting their asses beat, imprisoned and worse before notable amounts of white people took notice and said "wow, these guys actually are suffering a lot under our system, maybe we should change it". Where is the Asian equivalent of Black Lives Matter? Where are the native american protests numbering in the thousands? When Mohammed Ali was the heavy-weight champion of the world, he made it a point to go on national television and draw attention to the plight of black people in America. What asian or native american athlete are you aware of that's done the same? They don't exist.

For whatever reason, asians and native americans seem to not be inclined to organize mass-protests or movements for more representation in American society. And that's fine. But if they don't consider their current standing in social consciousness to be problematic, then there is no reason for society to consider their current standing in social consciousness to be problematic.

I agree with all of this except for one major point:

White people had to do it to make it happen. They had the agree and get involved to make those policy changes. It wasn't black protesters. It was the white people with power that made the changes. They had to agree to it.

This is part of why the "white privilege" narrative is still alive today. It's no longer true, obviously, but white privilege has it's roots in the Civil Rights Movement. Starting allllll the way back in the 1700s, really.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
LGBT people are the second most-targeted group for bias-motivated violence in the United States, despite comprising ~10% of the population.

Moreover, it is disconcerting that 351 anti-LGBTQ+ hate crimes occurred at a residence suggesting some members of the community are not even provided safety in their own home.

That is disturbing.

Citation:

https://www.statista.com/topics/4178/hate-crimes-in-the-united-states/

Edit - By the numbers, if the LGBTQ+ community make up 10% of the population, then they are underrepresented in hate crimes by a statistically significant margin.

These hate crime figures often get misrepresented so it is important to frame the figures with proper context.

For example, a question to consider: "are the black hate crimes represented by perpetrators who are not-black?" Another question, "We have many instances where clearly anti-white hate crime was carried out but it was not tracked as a hate crime by local law enforcement for many reasons. How does this data account for that?"

the elites are promoting mass population control to compensate for them purposely destroying the planet and are offering their elitist rampant pervert hedonism as a coping mechanism for the trauma they are inflicting on society. They have destroyed any competent anti elite activist movements since the 60s by equaling hedonist Death Culture ="freedom and social justice". It's brilliant social engineering and manufacturing of consent, really.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That is disturbing.

Citation:

https://www.statista.com/topics/4178/hate-crimes-in-the-united-states/

Edit - By the numbers, if the LGBTQ+ community make up 10% of the population, then they are underrepresented in hate crimes by a statistically significant margin.

These hate crime figures often get misrepresented so it is important to frame the figures with proper context.

For example, a question to consider: "are the black hate crimes represented by perpetrators who are not-black?" Another question, "We have many instances where clearly anti-white hate crime was carried out but it was not tracked as a hate crime by local law enforcement for many reasons. How does this data account for that?"

We need to do our part to make sure they are more represented in hate crime stats.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree with all of this except for one major point:

White people had to do it to make it happen. They had the agree and get involved to make those policy changes. It wasn't black protesters. It was the white people with power that made the changes. They had to agree to it.

This is part of why the "white privilege" narrative is still alive today. It's no longer true, obviously, but white privilege has it's roots in the Civil Rights Movement. Starting allllll the way back in the 1700s, really.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
True. but it doesn't really contradict anything I said. In fact I've had to make your exact point to some of the more radical black activists I've personally interacted with. There isn't really any civil rights movement in the US that got off the ground without socially conscious whites backing it up through legislation. It's one reason of many that "**** whitey" is not a constructive viewpoint to have.

I'd say that's the best argument for the sane position: most whites are objective sociopathic monsters, ethically speaking-- that I've ever heard, considering that the Civil Rights Movement was white liberal sabotage of the Black community by offering them diluted scraps of what they inherently earned by being the continued targets of a several hundred year mass terrorist campaign.

But continue with your argument that Black people should be grateful for the terrorism whites continuously inflict of them globally.

https://arcdigital.media/how-contemporary-capitalism-drives-hysterical-wokeness-9fb206158aad

Might be relevant to my questions.

Wokeness on both sides is worth money. How horrible.

Originally posted by cdtm
https://arcdigital.media/how-contemporary-capitalism-drives-hysterical-wokeness-9fb206158aad

Might be relevant to my questions.

Wokeness on both sides is worth money. How horrible.

Interesting read and they captured my thoughts in a more eloquent way.

We want too far with the "don't say mean things." We need to teach our children that people will say mean things and to calm the f*ck down about it - it's just words.

Btw, why is this on the Glaad website:

Based on the successful Commentator Accountability Project, GLAAD will use first-hand statements, video, and/or audio to document the animus displayed by people being appointed into positions of power in the U.S. government. GLAAD will update the following profiles with new statements that disparage LGBTQ people, women, Muslims, Immigrants, and many others. GLAAD will also share this information with reporters, journalists, producers, activists, and fellow organizations each time they make headlines anew.

Why specifically Muslims? It goes without saying there would be gay Muslims, but that isn't what they seem to be saying here. Don't they have their own advocacy groups?

Why not any mention of "People of Color", if they're representing outside groups?

Just asking.

Originally posted by cdtm
Btw, why is this on the Glaad website:

Why specifically Muslims? It goes without saying there would be gay Muslims, but that isn't what they seem to be saying here. Don't they have their own advocacy groups?

Why not any mention of "People of Color", if they're representing outside groups?

Just asking.

GLAAD created the Commentator Accountability Project as a resource for journalists that documents the history of anti-LGBT statements of various commentators.

The Trump Accountability Project is a variation of this that focuses on members of the Trump administration specifically.

GLAAD is not advocating for other groups, but is documenting bigoted statements directed at other groups in its process of documenting anti-LGBT statements.

If an administration official targets LGBT persons and other vulnerable groups in the same statement, they may as well document both.

Originally posted by panthergod
I'd say that's the best argument for the sane position: most whites are objective sociopathic monsters, ethically speaking-- that I've ever heard, considering that the Civil Rights Movement was white liberal sabotage of the Black community by offering them diluted scraps of what they inherently earned by being the continued targets of a several hundred year mass terrorist campaign.

But continue with your argument that Black people should be grateful for the terrorism whites continuously inflict of them globally.

Or do you believe that the wholesale slaughter of blacks in the streets by the hands of vindicated racists is a preferable outcome for civil rights?