Is Disney Canon Vader > Legends Vader?

Yes. Legends Vader has more feats but doesn’t rank as high relative to other legends characters, whereas canon Vader is top tier. Canon Vader has just as good if not better feats and is actually said to have grown more powerful from his injuries.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
One thing Canon Vader has over his Legends counterpart is how the armor wasn't made to limit him...

And even if it was, he re-built it himself, pretty much from a scratch. So it really no longer should be the case.

Legends obviously have more material, but at the rate Disney Vader is getting crazy feats, he should catch up soon --- if he hasn't done so already.

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
That's a great point. In legends the suit definitely hindered Vader but in canon that doesn't seem to be the case. Canon Vader is implied to be more powerful then ever

But still we know he cant be much > than he was in ROTS. Given he was already damn powerful by then, and we know he never surpassed Palpatine.

So his potential was still heavily hindered in both Canon and Legends.

I mean is there any real evidence in canon that peak Vader was still inferior to Sidious? Because I imagine that the gap between them was much smaller then most would like to think

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
I mean is there any real evidence in canon that peak Vader was still inferior to Sidious?

Originally posted by Eli Vanto
I mean is there any real evidence in canon that peak Vader was still inferior to Sidious? Because I imagine that the gap between them was much smaller then most would like to think

Well certainly in Lucas canon he was below Palpatine, and both Vader and Palps were interested in Luke, because he still had far more potential.

As for Disney canon, as Uber as his feats have been, I just dont see Palpatine struggling against Ahsoka... Like at all.

Like he easily force stomped both Maul and Opress together. And Ahsoka at best is Mauls equal.

Most I would ever argue is that Vader's TK might approach Palpatine's level. Aside from that, Palpatine is immensely superior across the board, and possesses a LOT more esoteric power/knowledge than Vader ever did.

Originally posted by Galan007
Most I would ever argue is that Vader's TK might approach Palpatine's level.

Thats what I would think too. But not instantly force owning Ahsoka is pretty inconsistent with even that idea when we consider Sidious could instantly force own both Maul and Opress together.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But still we know he cant be much > than he was in ROTS. Given he was already damn powerful by then, and we know he never surpassed Palpatine.

So his potential was still heavily hindered in both Canon and Legends.

You need to unlearn what you have learned.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Thats what I would think too. But not instantly force owning Ahsoka is pretty inconsistent with even that idea when we consider Sidious could instantly force own both Maul and Opress together.

So her Force abilities are still pretty up there. That might explain why Vader didn't just instantly TK ragdoll her. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
That's true. But then again, you also have the same Ahsoka that fought Vader doing shit like this(momentary at it was):

So her Force abilities are still pretty up there. That might explain why Vader didn't just instantly TK ragdoll her. /shrug

Meh not convinced given she stalemated Maul, and even if she is slightly better than Maul In that regard, Sidious owned Both Maul and Opress simultaneously.

Granted its possible Maul improved his TK over the years.

I think I will go with the small difference between Vader and Sidious making ALL the difference against lesser opponents. But even then there has to be that small difference between Vader and Palpatine even in TK.

Despite growing more powerful after his injuries, Vader still never reached his full potential and remained loyal to Sidious likely out of a desire for more power. That being said, there are several sources that state that Palpatine viewed Vader as a threat.

Sidious himself never reached his full potential.

Not till TRoS, that is.

As for the Ahsoka fight. That’s more impressive for Ahsoka than it is unimpressive for Vader. Ahsoka is likely > CW Maul as of Rebels

Also keep in mind that Rebels takes place 5 years before a new hope. Vader’s power continued to grow up until return of the Jedi. So even if Ahsoka is only equal to Maul at best, that would explain why Vader didn’t instantly destroy her.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Meh not convinced given she stalemated Maul, and even if she is slightly better than Maul In that regard, Sidious owned Both Maul and Opress simultaneously.

Granted its possible Maul improved his TK over the years.

I think I will go with the small difference between Vader and Sidious making ALL the difference against lesser opponents. But even then there has to be that small difference between Vader and Palpatine even in TK.

Yeah, I agree that Palpatine's TK would be superior to Vader's, otherwise Vader would have just Force-choked him to assume supremacy or w/e. But I do think that Vader's TK was powerful enough to give Palpatine a damn good fight, IF we're *only* talking about TK. Factor in all of Palpatine's other abilities, however, and it would obviously be a stomp in his favor.

Originally posted by Rebel95
That being said, there are several sources that state that Palpatine viewed Vader as a threat.

Originally posted by Rebel95
As for the Ahsoka fight. That’s more impressive for Ahsoka than it is unimpressive for Vader. Ahsoka is likely > CW Maul as of Rebels

Originally posted by Galan007
I actually think it's very likely that Maul's powers did improve by Rebels, as he had clearly been delving into the more obscure aspects of the Force/dark side -- like when he used Dathomirian magics, for example. But that's neither here nor there.

Yeah, I agree that Palpatine's TK would be superior to Vader's, otherwise Vader would have just Force-choked him to assume supremacy or w/e. But I do think that Vader's TK was powerful enough to give Palpatine a damn good fight, IF we're *only* talking about TK. Factor in all of Palpatine's other abilities, however, and it would obviously be a stomp in his favor.

Yeah this all makes sense 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Tbf, Palpatine also viewed Dooku+Asajj, and Maul+Savage as potential threats/rivals, despite having the power to easily slaughter them.

Yeah when he viewed Sith/Ex-Sith and their apprentices as threats, it was clearly more to do with Potential threat.

One aspect though where Vader > Palpatine was as a pilot. And that is quite an important ability in terms of being a threat. Especially from a pilot that Palpatine cant just easily Force Choke from his own ship.

This quote shows that Vader’s actualized power was a threat to Sidious, but it was his loyalty that kept him in check:

“He collected some of these Force adepts and took them to his citadel on Byss, where he initiated them in the powers of the dark side. All of those he taught, human or alien, were only taught enough to fulfilll Palpatine's wishes. He didn't want any of them rising up against him. Bad enough that Vader was as powerful as he was, though Palpatine was certain of Vader’s loyalty to the dark side.”

While Sidious is certainly still more powerful than Vader, the gap between them is not as big as many think it is.