Originally posted by playa1258
GWTW was re-released like 500 times though.
GWTW has been in and out of the theaters for almost 80 years and it's still in some theaters across the country.
Avatar was in theaters for like 10 months straight and then afterwards it was also re-released. In Avatars final few months it was only pulling in like 10K for the whole week. So it's because "people still wanted to see it" argument doesn't stand.
EG has been in theaters 3 months.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Worldwide
Worldwide adjusted for inflation?
Firstly im not sure that exists. Every country has a different rate of inflation. And in the old days Worldwide didnt get the kind of international release it gets now in terms of number of countries. Not even close.
Second Endgame and Avatar are pretty even right now. Endgame might end up beating it by like 10mill? Theres absolutely no way 10 years of inflation on almost 3billion dollars of ticket sales wont make that difference.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Worldwide adjusted for inflation?Firstly im not sure that exists.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films
MCU toxic fans turning their toxicity towards Cameron now. Kinda sad.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
I thought I read titanic was number 2, not too long ago.
Thats because no one can make a reliable list adjusting worldwide for inflation for the reasons ive already stated.
Either way its quite evident Endgame is below Avatar in any list that factors inflation.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
MCU toxic fans turning their toxicity towards Cameron now. Kinda sad.Thats because no one can make a reliable list adjusting worldwide for inflation for the reasons ive already stated.
Either way its quite evident Endgame is below Avatar in any list that factors inflation.
The insane thing about titanic at the time, is that nearly everyone saw it multiple times. It had insane legs, where they wanted to keep it in the theaters for a year or so. It still did impressive numbers even after the VHS release.
Even crazier, is that Titanic didn't have 3-d, IMAX, and the foreign expansion isn't what it is today, and it still made it to 3 billion.
Titanic is truly in a league of it's own. Its run is more impressive than either Star Wars or Gone with the wind.
What's with the fascination of making movies the best grossing movies? Especially when people go to see the movie ten times. I wouldn't be able to sit through that movie more than once. Maybe a few years down the line I could see it again, but that's different from seeing it three times in a week.
Is the purpose to make it more mainstream and less nerdy? I really don't get it.
Originally posted by Inhuman
April 22, 2018Seething
Says the man averaging one film every ten years or so. Where's your competing material, Jim?
The MCU is unprecedented; telling a Star Wars like massive, connected storyline with frequency that surpasses even the James Bond series at it's peak, and avoiding sequel fatigue because every film that comes out is not a sequel but a 'side-quel', going to to a different part of the Marvel Universe from where we just were - then cleverly circling back to pick up that story & characters maybe years later, with a hungry audience waiting to find out what happens next.
Actually, we will be seeing somewhat fewer Marvel films, just because most of the newly acquired Fox/Marvel properties are going to sleep for a while. As for all the haters out there who complain about the MCU sucking so much of the box office(while also getting great reviews) - the paying audience clearly isn't fatigued at all.
Originally posted by roughrider
Says the man averaging one film every ten years or so. Where's your competing material, Jim?
Whats wrong with that?
This is still the guy who gave us the greatest sci-fi action flick of all time with T2.
He doesnt like how the MCU has just taken over the traditional big blockbuster season. Its his opinion and hes entitled to it.
So calm down with the “we go after anyone who says anything negative about the MCU” mob attitude.
He's technically not wrong, the enthusiasm for superhero movies is a lot less prevalent now after the third phase. Which makes sense, because when initially presented it was meant to lead up to Endgame, and a lot of people—including myself—were anticipating it.
Yes, Cameron's reply was in 2018, but phase three didn't come to a close before Endgame. And the people who had followed the cinematic universe for ten years aren't just going to drop it right before its conclusion.
But phase four seem to be without general goals or direction, and a lot more experimental. Even people in the comic book section seem to be apathetic to most upcoming movies.
So I think he's right, but we'll see.
People like John Campea were predicting superhero fatigue in 2017 after Justice League failed at the box office. But instead superhero films - or more specifically, the MCU ones - have just gotten bigger and bigger, and in unlikely corners like Black Panther and Captain Marvel, both entering the billion dollar grossing club. The past two Avengers movies have redefined the word epic, in space and audience appeal.
The only thing Justice League proved - just like Transformers: The Last Knight that same year - is that the audience only comes so many times to a mediocre product before they quit on it.
As for the MCU getting even more experimental in their next phase, I say they have always been experimental, making even the most unlikely property get embraced by the paying audience.
This constant prediction that the audience is getting superhero movie fatigue, it's like the NFL experts who've been saying for years this is the year Tom Brady and the New England Patriots fall off a cliff. You say the same thing for years and it doesn't happen, you lose credibility in my eyes.
No ones denying the MCU is the biggest movie franchise of all time bar none. Or what its achieved a 23 movie saga in 11 years churning quality after quality.
And yes there clearly is no superhero fatigue. If that ever was a thing, then clearly the MCU has turned that around.
So Cameron is wrong. I think he just wishes he was right, as he even says Hopefully. But the guy who gave us Aliens and T2 is entitled to his opinion, and MCU fans should be secure enough in their franchise by now without having to attack the opinion of others.
I like most of Cameron's movies. Just find it funny how he always trying to give "read between the line" jabs at anything that takes away from his films.
The only thing that has caused fatigue in super hero movies are shitty bandwagon movies made to emulate a cinematic universe like the MCU. All the trash that was released alongside the craze has harmed more than helped these type of films.
What Cameron said doesn't make sense, in the sense that any studio/director can make blockbusters and any of these other studios/directors can make the next big craze.
Do they do that? Nope.
What they do instead is churn out trash movie after trash movie to jump on that cinematic universe money.
Not innovating, not doing their own thing, just emulating.
How is that the MCU's fault? MCU have been doing their own thing, going on with their universe that they planed out since 2008 or so. Even without their most popular characters at first.
They have no control on what other studios try to do even if its just emulating.
Just like when Pulp fiction came out. How may "me too" copy cat movies did that spawn from other studios? Same for countless other type of movies that are massive hits, and then you have all the band-wagoners jumping on trying to do the same thing instead of doing something different.
This kind of argument started after the first Star Wars movie came out in 1977 and changed the movie industry. Science Fiction & Fantasy films became the hot, dominant genre ever since (superhero & comic book films are part of this genre) and there were crappy imitation movies that followed it for years. Directors like William Friedkin (The French Connection, The Exorcist) complained about Star Wars changing audience tastes ("They want McDonalds instead of filet mignon now" is how he put it) when his real problem getting an audience post Star Wars was that his movies were largely bad to mediocre.
Steven Spielberg was part of the wave that was washing Friedkin and others to the sidelines in the 1980's, but now he complains about there being too many superhero films out there. Hey, Steven, I think you of all people would remember the golden rule - whoever gets the audience gold makes the rules. 😛
Originally posted by roughrider
They want McDonalds instead of filet mignon now