Incel Extremists should be treated the same way as religious extremists.

Started by Bentley3 pages

Is anyone actually saying misandry shouldn't be a crime or is this a fine example of strawmanning?

I don't think anyone has flat out said that, yet these two responses, well...you be the judge and tell me if they seem like they are in favor of the idea:

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Missed this... Spoken like a true mens rights activist.

Originally posted by samhain
^Misandry is less about violence than misogyny. Most misogynists will get violent whereas misandrists are far less likely to, even if they did, they'd have to choose their victim very wisely. So, misandry exists for sure, but it has nowhere near the seriousness of misogyny right now.

Perhaps they'd like to clarify whether or not they believe the law should be applied equally.

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't think anyone has flat out said that, yet these two responses, well...you be the judge and tell me if they seem like they are in favor of the idea:

Perhaps they'd like to clarify whether or not they believe the law should be applied equally.

Spoken like a true online male rights activist. 👆

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/inside-the-secret-world-of-incels-misogyny-murder-and-cowardice-1.3973980

And there you have it. PB clearly doesn't think it should be a crime. One down, one to go. Let us see if samhain is also in favor of inequality.

Originally posted by Bentley
Is anyone actually saying misandry shouldn't be a crime or is this a fine example of strawmanning?
no one I know.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
no one I know.

So just to be clear, you going "lol MRA!" was your way of agreeing it should be illegal? Is that the claim now?

Genuinely curious how many are dumb enough to believe that, any takers?

Originally posted by Surtur
So just to be clear, you going "lol MRA!" was your way of agreeing it should be illegal? Is that the claim now?

Genuinely curious how many are dumb enough to believe that, any takers?

Not, at all, it should be illegal but as Sam said it's scale is negligible in comparison to the Incel Revolution no matter what those Mens rights sites are telling you Surt.

The Decent Incel exist too, who is no radicalised by the woman hate sites like this guy in the Article I posted. MattCULTURE

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Inside the Secret World of Incels: Misogyny, murder and cowardice
Review: This alarming film vindicates the stereotype of the awkward, seething outcast
Inside the Secret World of Incels: Catfishman poses online as a male model and then ambushes women who have agreed to meet him for dates. Photograph: Simon Rawles/BBC
Inside the Secret World of Incels: Catfishman poses online as a male model and then ambushes women who have agreed to meet him for dates. Photograph: Simon Rawles/BBC
Ed Power
about 4 hours ago

INSIDE THE SECRET WORLD OF INCELS
BBC One
★★★★☆
The first the world at large heard of incels was when a 25-year-old named Alek Minassian drove a van into pedestrians in Toronto, in Canada, in April 2018, killing 10 people.

“The Incel Rebellion has already begun!” he had proclaimed on Facebook shortly before the attack. The same posting namechecked Elliot Rodger, who, in 2014, had targeted women in a mass shooting in California.

Rodger has become a posthumous figurehead for dangerous loners such as Minassian. The worrying message conveyed by Inside the Secret World of Incels is that neither is an isolated case.

‘Incel’ is internet slang for ‘involuntary celibate’. Usually it refers to young men whose sexual frustrations, heightened by emotional instability or mental illness, develop into a dangerous misogyny
“Incel” is internet slang for “involuntary celibate”. Usually it refers to young men whose sexual frustrations, heightened by emotional instability or mental illness, develop into a dangerous misogyny. Many believe they are “owed” intimacy. Often they hate romantically successful men as much as the women they feel rejected by.

The stereotype of the awkward outcast seething in isolation is largely vindicated by this efficient, if deeply alarming, BBC documentary. We meet the loathsome “Catfishman”. A woman-hating freak, he poses online as a male model and then ambushes women who have agreed to meet him for dates.

He’s a coward as well as a woman-hater, hiding behind a mask that makes him look like a pathetic parody of Bane, from Batman. It comes as no surprise to learn he has a history of domestic violence, serving jail time for beating up his ex-girlfriend.

“I’m not killing them,” he said, asked whether he empathises with Rodger. “I’m just exposing them.”

Decades ago, people such as Catfishman might have stewed in solitude. Today the internet, with its dozens of incel message boards, allows their vituperative ideas to go viral.

Matt, who seems sweet and grounded and vents his frustrations by singing Billy Joel songs at karaoke nights, offers the contrary view that forums can be supportive. He insists you can identify as an incel without being a woman-hating psychopath. (He steers clear of sites that push a misogynist agenda.)

Matt comes across as essentially normal. A bit dorky, perhaps, and probably versed in the differences between Dungeons & Dragons and Magic: The Gathering or WoW, but universes removed from Rodger and Catfishman – to the extent that it’s not entirely clear what he’s doing in the same documentary.

The scale is irrelevant. Didn't read the rest of your triggered post.

Originally posted by Surtur
The scale is irrelevant. Didn't read the rest of your triggered post.
Matt comes across as essentially normal. A bit dorky, perhaps, and probably versed in the differences between Dungeons & Dragons and Magic: The Gathering or WoW, but universes removed from Rodger and Catfishman – to the extent that it’s not entirely clear what he’s doing in the same documentary.

Good for Matt?

Originally posted by Surtur
Good for Matt?
Not all Incels are frothing beasts I'm sure. There is good and bad on both sides.

Side note: you really need to learn to properly copy and paste from articles.

Originally posted by Surtur
Side note: you really need to learn to properly copy and paste from articles.
it's laziness tbh.

How can you be lazy when the incel threat looms so large?! Tsk tsk.

Originally posted by Surtur
How can you be lazy when the incel threat looms so large?! Tsk tsk.
Ha!

Never said misandry shouldn't be a crime if misogyny has the same status, not once. I actually don't think either one of them is a crime as they're more like states of consciousness which can certainly manifest themselves criminally with some people. But the reason we see so much more about misogyny in the news/media is because it happens more right now and it's usually far less surreptitious.

When you think about it, if a person gets violent on someone else specifically because they are a woman...you could say it is a hate crime.

I think the reason why men will go to violence (with other men as well as women) is largely the same reason why women will make efforts to be more devious (with other women as well as men). Boys are conditioned to believe that their size and might is the way to have an impact on the world and girls are conditioned with the belief that they are capable of great cunning so they become the weapons of choice for the respective sexes.

A man is far more likely to use violence as he thinks it's how he gets the edge, women will gravitate towards being more manipulative and deceptive because they believe that's their strength. It's why we see more violence associated with misogyny than we do with misandry.

Originally posted by samhain
^Misandry is less about violence than misogyny. Most misogynists will get violent whereas misandrists are far less likely to, even if they did, they'd have to choose their victim very wisely. So, misandry exists for sure, but it has nowhere near the seriousness of misogyny right now.

If you consider that the comfortable majority of victims of domestic violence are actually men, you'd be wrong.

Thinking it is okay to hit your man because he says or does something you don't like or agree with is misandry.

The sexism test: "If the genders are reversed in this scenario, is it okay?" The answer is a resounding no. It is not okay. If a man feels it is okay to hit his women when he doesn't agree with something she does or says, that's violent misogyny.

Also, this is another uncomfortable fact that the leftists and progressives like to ignore. And when you bring it up, "But mans hurts duh womanz harder! Dey iz strongerz!" Yeah, okay, assault and battery is okay for women to do, then. What a great argument!!!

Originally posted by dadudemon
If you consider that the comfortable majority of victims of domestic violence are actually men, you'd be wrong.

Thinking it is okay to hit your man because he says or does something you don't like or agree with is misandry.

The sexism test: "If the genders are reversed in this scenario, is it okay?" The answer is a resounding no. It is not okay. If a man feels it is okay to hit his women when he doesn't agree with something she does or says, that's violent misogyny.

Also, this is another uncomfortable fact that the leftists and progressives like to ignore. And when you bring it up, "But mans hurts duh womanz harder! Dey iz strongerz!" Yeah, okay, assault and battery is okay for women to do, then. What a great argument!!!

I'm well aware of the domestic abuse stats. Completely agree with what you're saying. My point was that misogyny almost always leads to violence, whereas misandrists seem to express their hatred with with a sort of 'mind games' technique. Not all misandrists are violent, they're mostly gaslighters.