What on Earth makes you make those claims? We’ve seen one punch work. How many Galactus-level punches have we seen not work on WF? Are we saying Superman flying through a bunch of yellow suns is LT-level after one feat? How can he ever be a compelling character again?
I thought this was just gonna be a phase guys! Maybe we need to ban Supes AND WF for real this time until the rest of the plot explains everything and puts everyone’s brains back together.
How can he ever be a compelling character again?First of all, I think it's pretty narrow-minded to equate "compelling" with "being physically challenged in fights". Still, the latter can be achieved: Superman has by far the best dynamic strength in all of comicdom. When he really puts his mind and heart into it there's nothing that can stop him from saving the day. But when he faces lesser day-to-day threats he can operate on a far lesser level himself, keeping his fights non-trivial. And he also has a couple of weaknesses for his enemies to exploit.
That said, Superman's very thing is to be OP. He is the original mega-powerhouse, and as such he remains compelling (it is the dozens of poor-man's copy-cats that are not). The stories simply have to focus on other things than mere brawling. There is a reason why his nemesis is a "normal" human -- when a character can physically beat pretty much any foe, physical confrontations are not the thing that makes the stories compelling (this requires a competent writer, though).
That's a very good answer to my admittedly weakest and more irrelevant question in my rant. I agree with you on your points in your response, but still, how did you determine your original list? That was my original point. We don't know! We don't know really know how powerful Superman really is at this point, and we know even less about WF, and this one feat has you saying that based on this one short arc, no one except Superman going "faster than imagination" and LT-level beings can punch this guy out.
Originally posted by Quick FreezeTrue, we do not yet have much data on which to base these conclusions. What we do know is the cosmological status and accomplishments of World Forger -- which are multiversal+ stuff. At this point the hypothesis "a fully multiversal being" is favored over "a multiversal being with a glass jaw" by Occam's razor, when it comes to WF. Later stories can, of course, change this.
That's a very good answer to my admittedly weakest and more irrelevant question in my rant. I agree with you on your points in your response, but still, how did you determine your original list? That was my original point. We don't know! We don't know really know how powerful Superman really is at this point, and we know even less about WF, and this one feat has you saying that based on this one short arc, no one except Superman going "faster than imagination" and LT-level beings can punch this guy out.
Originally posted by Magnon
True, we do not yet have much data on which to base these conclusions. What we do know is the cosmological status and accomplishments of World Forger -- which are multiversal+ stuff. At this point the hypothesis "a fully multiversal being" is favored over "a multiversal being with a glass jaw" by Occam's razor, when it comes to WF. Later stories can, of course, change this.
That was up, up, and away Superman moment. Nothing Superman can’t do. LT can hurt WF but not with a fist lmao.