Yes, the 2nd amendment is more important than the 1st amendment, imo. Imo, the 2nd amendment should really be the 1st amendment.
The 2nd amendment is supposed to protect all of our other rights (including the 1st) and it is a safeguard against a tyrannical government. The 1st amendment is very important, make no mistake, but it can't really be used to defend our other rights or our very lives the way the 2nd can.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, it is not. Otherwise, treason would not be the only capital crime in the constitution.
Actually, yes it is. He's right. You're wrong.
Here's a slightly left leaning source for this:
In short, the basic idea was that a people have a right to defend themselves against tyranny; and that if a government breaches the social contract with its people, the people have a right to overthrow that government. Popular access to arms is the sine qua non of such an ideal.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-11-17/origins-second-amendment
Treason is a bit different crime than overthrowing you're government. Most of the section in the constitution on it is about working with enemies of the state:
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381
And let's not forget original intent of the Second Amendment being retard-washed away by Democratic and leftist morons:
[quote]When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government./quote[
Original intent is to have the individuals as well as militias be fully armed. And also to overthrow their government. Contrary to many wrong-opinion pieces I had to sift through to find actual quotes.
I am not shocked that young Americans are indoctrinated, ignorant, Democratic, communist fools. It's hard to find facts when you talk about these subjects. If you do a cursory search, you'll be bombarded with literally factually incorrect articles and opinion pieces that are easily proven wrong.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, yes it is. He's right. You're wrong.Here's a slightly left leaning source for this:
https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-11-17/origins-second-amendment
Treason is a bit different crime than overthrowing you're government. Most of the section in the constitution on it is about working with enemies of the state:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381
And let's not forget original intent of the Second Amendment being retard-washed away by Democratic and leftist morons:
[quote]When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government./quote[
Original intent is to have the individuals as well as militias be fully armed. And also to overthrow their government. Contrary to many wrong-opinion pieces I had to sift through to find actual quotes.
I am not shocked that young Americans are indoctrinated, ignorant, Democratic, communist fools. It's hard to find facts when you talk about these subjects. If you do a cursory search, you'll be bombarded with literally factually incorrect articles and opinion pieces that are easily proven wrong.
Yes, that's the founders reason.
I suppose tyranny of the people were not lost on them, but they considered it a lesser evil then a tyrannical government (Looking at how masses of people merely terrorize by extorting money in the courts, or hyper-focusing on a single issue that benefits them at the expense of others, I'd agree that beats death police and mass gassings of political dissidents.)
The shooter is responsible for what he did, but shit it seems like people dropped the ball. We know he had a hit list. He would talk to friends about killing. While apparently also making anti gun comments...when they would go out to places he would note how much damage a gun could have done there. He would make comments about shooting people.
And the friend giving this info stopped being friends with the guy 5 months ago because he *randomly put a gun to his head*.
And I will note the friend says he thinks perhaps the guys motive was to bring more attention to gun control. So in his crazed mind he thought more gun violence would lead to changes. I don't know if I believe it, but that is what the friend said.
Originally posted by Surtur
The shooter is responsible for what he did, but shit it seems like people dropped the ball. We know he had a hit list. He would talk to friends about killing. While apparently also making anti gun comments...when they would go out to places he would note how much damage a gun could have done there. He would make comments about shooting people.And the friend giving this info stopped being friends with the guy 5 months ago because he *randomly put a gun to his head*.
And I will note the friend says he thinks perhaps the guys motive was to bring more attention to gun control. So in his crazed mind he thought more gun violence would lead to changes. I don't know if I believe it, but that is what the friend said.
An autistic kid in high school made a hit list. He got made fun of a lot for his quirks. I must say, kids grew up a lot more since I was in high school. They wouldn't make fun of an autistic kid like they did back then.
I tried my best to be his friend and help him with his behavioral outbursts. I never thought he would go on a killing spree but based on what happens these days, I should have reported him and got him help. Ugh. this is a terrible thought.
Originally posted by cdtm
Yes, that's the founders reason.I suppose tyranny of the people were not lost on them, but they considered it a lesser evil then a tyrannical government (Looking at how masses of people merely terrorize by extorting money in the courts, or hyper-focusing on a single issue that benefits them at the expense of others, I'd agree that beats death police and mass gassings of political dissidents.)
You're correct. They feared majoritarianism which is why they wanted certain Inalienable Rights such as the right to bear arms, the freedom of speech, freedom of speedy trial, etc.
Seems like all the young leftist morons forgot all about these things. Wait until the barrel of the weaponized social-terrorism is pointed at them more and more and they will reconsider trying to remove the inalienable rights.
Wait, it's already happening and they are imploding and eating each other. 🙂
Fact check: Trump falsely accuses Sherrod Brown, Dayton mayor of misrepresenting his hospital visit
President Donald Trump, his press secretary and his director of social media accused Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown and Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley, both of whom are Democrats, of misrepresenting the reception Trump received from shooting victims during his visit to a Dayton hospital.
Facts First: This is false. While both Brown and Whaley criticized Trump's past rhetoric, they were only complimentary about his visit to the hospital.
At a press conference following their joint hospital visit with Trump, Brown said Trump was "received well by the patients," was "comforting" and "did the right things." At the press conference and in an interview with CNN, Whaley said victims were "grateful" to see Trump and that he was "treated well by the victims, for sure." -snip
The Divider-in-Chief doing his usual thing. Lying, being divisive and trying to make it all about himself when he should be putting aside his ego for the victims of these murders.
Originally posted by Robtard
Fact check: Trump falsely accuses Sherrod Brown, Dayton mayor of misrepresenting his hospital visitPresident Donald Trump, his press secretary and his director of social media accused Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown and Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley, both of whom are Democrats, of misrepresenting the reception Trump received from shooting victims during his visit to a Dayton hospital.
Facts First: This is false. While both Brown and Whaley criticized Trump's past rhetoric, they were only complimentary about his visit to the hospital.
At a press conference following their joint hospital visit with Trump, Brown said Trump was "received well by the patients," was "comforting" and "did the right things." At the press conference and in an interview with CNN, Whaley said victims were "grateful" to see Trump and that he was "treated well by the victims, for sure." -snip
The Divider-in-Chief doing his usual thing. Lying, being divisive and trying to make it all about himself when he should be putting aside his ego for the victims of these murders.
If this is true, I would want to verify it.
If it is true, that's absolutely terrible of Trump to do to Democrats who were clearly trying to act in good faith during a moment of crisis.
Originally posted by dadudemon
If this is true, I would want to verify it.If it is true, that's absolutely terrible of Trump to do to Democrats who were clearly trying to act in good faith during a moment of crisis.
Seems so, as even a Far-Right news source like the Washington Examiner is reporting on their benign comments to Trump's visit:
During the press conference, Whaley said that she thinks “the victims and the first responders were grateful that the president of the United States came to Dayton.”
“He was received well by the patients, as you'd expect,” Brown said. “They're hurting. He was comforting and he did the right things. Melania did the right things. It's his job, in part, to comfort people.” -snip
“I'm glad he did it in those hospital rooms,” he added. -snip
Originally posted by Robtard
Seems so, as even a Far-Right news source like the Washington Examiner is reporting on their benign comments to Trump's visit:During the press conference, Whaley said that she thinks “the victims and the first responders were grateful that the president of the United States came to Dayton.”
“He was received well by the patients, as you'd expect,” Brown said. “They're hurting. He was comforting and he did the right things. Melania did the right things. It's his job, in part, to comfort people.” -snip
“I'm glad he did it in those hospital rooms,” he added. -snip
Those quotes are great. But if they also uttered anything to be divisive, then Trump would be right. That's what I'm looking for.
It could be something like, "Trump is an *sshole but he..." and then all those other quotes you found. This is what I'm afraid of. I get burned with this types of stories that either favor or disfavor Trump.
Originally posted by Robtard
I believe if either of them had attacked Trump in regards to Trump's hospital visit, The Washington Examiner would have included those quotes too.
I found what I was looking for. This is why Trump had a Twitter meltdown over those two:
They cofronted him and tried to guilt him into removing "assault weapons" from the streets instead of giving the police officers awards for their quick response to the shooter.
Also, Whaley said this about Trump: "A lot of the time his talk can be very divisive, and that’s the last thing we need in Dayton..."
I would like to see the full transcript from their press conference that caused Trump's full meltdown. Keep in mind, Trump is a textbook narcissist. If his character or ego are attacked, he will lash out at the attackers in an effort to restore the perceived damage to his ego. In this regard, it is easy to predict Trump's behavior (he's rather simple-minded, imo).
I knew this story smacked of missing key details. We were missing the details of where Trump thought his ego took a hit.
My take on the issue: both of them tried to use the crisis to corner Trump and shame him into doing stupid shit with gun bans. One of them called him divisive and laid into him. Trump had a meltdown on Twitter over it.
That comment is in the Washington Examiner article and it has nothing to do in regards to Trump's hospital visit, which is what Trump is attacking over:
She also said she thought it was a good decision for the president not to visit the area of Dayton, where the shooting took place.
“A lot of the time his talk can be very divisive, and that’s the last thing we need in Dayton,” Whaley said -snip
Trump's attack Tweet:
Just left Dayton, Ohio, where I met with the Victims & families, Law Enforcement, Medical Staff & First Responders. It was a warm & wonderful visit. Tremendous enthusiasm & even Love. Then I saw failed Presidential Candidate (0%) Sherrod Brown & Mayor Whaley totally.....
....misrepresenting what took place inside of the hospital. Their news conference after I left for El Paso was a fraud. It bore no resemblance to what took place with those incredible people that I was so lucky to meet and spend time with. They were all amazing!o -Trump