The Ultimates vs. JSA

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The Ultimates vs. JSA

Blue Marvel
Captain Marvel (Carol)
Spectrum
Miss America
Black Panther

Vs

Alan Scott
Captain Marvel (Billy)
Power Girl
Mr. Terrific
Hawkman

Who wins?

Team DC after a good fight. I started to say they slaughter due to Marvel, Scott, and Powergirl trio, but team Marvel is pretty versatile, but I think DC straight up overpowers them.

JSA easily. Billy would straight up dominate Blue Marvel. Alan Scott cleanhouse the rest. The other 3 stand there and watch. PG shakes her **** cheerlead on the sideline as distraction

Originally posted by MrMind
JSA easily. Billy would straight up dominate Blue Marvel. Alan Scott cleanhouse the rest. The other 3 stand there and watch. PG shakes her **** cheerlead on the sideline as distraction

What are you basing your opinion on for the Blue Marvel/Shazam fight? Dominate is an awfully strong opinion to throw around when Billy seems to be a solid mid herald, while Adam has been shown to rank in the high herald tier.

Originally posted by Stoic
What are you basing your opinion on for the Blue Marvel/Shazam fight? Dominate is an awfully strong opinion to throw around when Billy seems to be a solid mid herald, while Adam has been shown to rank in the high herald tier.

I don't agree that they dominate either. But I definitely think the JSA win.

JSA.

Power Girl/Alan take on BM/Spectrum, while Billy bulldozes the rest.

Originally posted by Philosophía
JSA.

Power Girl/Alan take on BM/Spectrum, while Billy bulldozes the rest.

couldn't monica take out Power girl pretty easily though?

jsa wins. good fight

miss a will bfr billy or pg or both. i'd take the ultimates here for a solid majority. she's also damn near as strong as bm. bm/cm would be close to a toss up imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
miss a will bfr billy or pg or both. i'd take the ultimates here for a solid majority. she's also damn near as strong as bm. bm/cm would be close to a toss up imo.

Couldnt Billy just return via ROE? Or is that no longer a thing, being able to dimensional travel via the rock.

Originally posted by beatboks
Couldnt Billy just return via ROE? Or is that no longer a thing, being able to dimensional travel via the rock.

That would be a BFR, which would remove him from the fight altogether.

Alan can BFR, too. JSA wins.

Originally posted by Stoic
That would be a BFR, which would remove him from the fight altogether.

BFR only applies if he can't return to the battlefield.

Same way, for example, punching Hulk 1km away isn't BFR...he can easily jump back.

Originally posted by Stoic
That would be a BFR, which would remove him from the fight altogether.

O_o

I'm asking if he can still dimensionally travel via the Rock Of Eternity. If he can anyone BFRing him wont stick as he could simply return pretty much instantly. The comment was in respomse to someone saying he could be BFRd

Originally posted by deathslash
couldn't monica take out Power girl pretty easily though?
Quite possibly. It depends on how they match-up.

Off the top of my head, Power Girl isn't a particularly versatile kryptonian, so her usual bags of tricks wouldn't work against an energy being. Depending on how they combine, she might end up with Hawkman's Nth Metal, or Mr. Mr. Terrific's T-Spheres - any of which come in handy.

Depending on how they combine, she might end up with Hawkman's Nth Metal, or Mr. Mr. Terrific's T-Spheres - any of which come in handy.

Hawks Nth metal withnits ability to absorb energy and no sell energy attacks is going to be a big problem for Monica.

I dont however see the T-spheres troubling her much at all. Though if he uses them like he did on Capt Nazi they just might help vs BM a little. Not win but could slow down.

How do you see it playing out if BM amps CM to binary or if either of them fuse with Monica?

Originally posted by Philosophía
Quite possibly. It depends on how they match-up.

Off the top of my head, Power Girl isn't a particularly versatile kryptonian, so her usual bags of tricks wouldn't work against an energy being. Depending on how they combine, she might end up with Hawkman's Nth Metal, or Mr. Mr. Terrific's T-Spheres - any of which come in handy.

unless I'm missing something, Terrific shouldn't actually be a threat. He's only a human and Monica, America, BM, or even Carol could potentially blitz him.

Oh yeah, can't Adam or Monica make Carol go Binary? That should seriously tip the scales....

Philo, why is PG not as versatile? Do you mean she does not have the same abilities or that she simply does not use them as effectively?

Originally posted by deathslash
unless I'm missing something, Terrific shouldn't actually be a threat. He's only a human and Monica, America, BM, or even Carol could potentially blitz him.

Oh yeah, can't Adam or Monica make Carol go Binary? That should seriously tip the scales....

Terrific's tech is what's being talked about -- not his, uh, human martial arts capability. Power Girl would sooner blitz BM/Carol/America.

Binary wouldn't tip any scales. She'd get her ass beat by any one of Alan, CM or PG.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Philo, why is PG not as versatile? Do you mean she does not have the same abilities or that she simply does not use them as effectively?
She doesn't use them as effectively as, say, Supergirl [to whom she's explicitly equal to] - the latter having used intangibility [https://i.imgur.com/WT6I3sx.jpg], invisibility [https://i.imgur.com/EJ4biYc.jpg], generate counter-frequencies [https://i.imgur.com/izrhPpI.jpg] etc. PG is mostly a 'generic' kryptonian [i.e. punch hard, move hard, tank, hv]. 'Technically' she could do most of these [the aforementioned parity with Supergirl], but in a practical sense on the forum, I can't attribute them to her - off the top of my memory, that is, as I dont remember her replicating them.