Originally posted by Putinbot1
or he could have gone on a rampage himself. Do you have the figures to compare number of "heroes" who stopped murder crimes with number who committed?
Was the El Paso shooter stopped by an armed citizen? I've not heard. I know a hero citizen threw cans at him to distract him for a bit.
Also of note: Texas has some of the most relaxed gun laws in the US, obtaining guns, concealed-carry, open-carry.
Originally posted by Robtardcan you wear a six shooter in a holster in Texas?
Was the El Paso shooter stopped by an armed citizen? I've not heard. I know a hero citizen threw cans at him to distract him for a bit.Also of note: Texas has some of the most relaxed gun laws in the US, obtaining guns, concealed-carry, open-carry.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Coming from one of the knife crime cities cities of the world and actually having been stabbed but not in the UK surprisingly. I would like to say stabbings will never be as easy to kill as shooting is.
Have you had much knife training? It’s not like in the movies where a person has a knife and people can dodge, deflect and disarm.
A person who can decently use a knife can inflict serious damage quickly to a group of people for a few reasons.
1. It’s quiet.
2. People are not going to challenge you
3. It only takes 1-2 good cuts to take someone down, ie neck, stomach, head, inner thighs., back of the spine.
Knives are extremely dangerous. Can you kill as fast as a gun, no, however there have been many stabbing of 10-20 people being stabbed by a maniac.
But this isn’t just about knives, vehicles can be used.
The Assault rifle ban in the US said that while banning assault weapons reduced that particular gun violence, it was replaced by using other guns and rifles. There are so many more guns out there that are more dangerous than an AR right now.
Point is knives, guns, cars, bombs etc will always be used to kill people and banning one thing doesn’t solve the problem.
Originally posted by Surtur
Let us not pretend like it matters. The left would just say "well it rarely happens" if a legit cowboy was there and prevented all these deaths via a gun.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I would like stats and body count for that tbh and let's keep it to all murders with a gun.
The only study I found places it at between 500,000 and 3 million defensive gun uses per year
Originally posted by Silent Master
The only study I found places it at between 500,000 and 3 million defensive gun uses per year
There is a non-profit site called he gun violence archive. Democrats have used this place and it's data talking points.
The issue, apparently, is the site defines mass shootings not by deaths, but by those injured. So if someone shoots 6 people and they survive their injuries, that is a mass shooting. But since the FBI decided to apply the definition of "mass murder" to "mass shooting" people are using that to deflect from the stats.
To me, if you shoot more than 3 people it's a mass shooting no matter if they all live.
500k-3mil is quite a stretch.
IMO, if armed civic minded citizens routinely stopped crimes, let alone taking down a mass murderer/shooting, the NRA and gun lobby would be plastering that data for all to see. eg if some armed citizen had taken down the shooter in El Paso, it'd be all over the news and rightfully so.
Originally posted by BrolyBlackI got stabbed in the shoulder in Thailand I have a scar above my tattoo. It bled like mad I didn't really see it coming properly the guy ran off after stabbing me. Yes knives can cause a lot of damage. I think he was going for the neck which I tucked and raised my shoulder to protect as much as possible. Old wound, old scar, I went directly to hospital and got stitches. The blade was small, the cur was small but deep, had he got my neck I'd be dead maybe had it been a gun it would have been a lot worse for me.
Have you had much knife training? It’s not like in the movies where a person has a knife and people can dodge, deflect and disarm.A person who can decently use a knife can inflict serious damage quickly to a group of people for a few reasons.
1. It’s quiet.
2. People are not going to challenge you
3. It only takes 1-2 good cuts to take someone down, ie neck, stomach, head, inner thighs., back of the spine.Knives are extremely dangerous. Can you kill as fast as a gun, no, however there have been many stabbing of 10-20 people being stabbed by a maniac.
But this isn’t just about knives, vehicles can be used.
The Assault rifle ban in the US said that while banning assault weapons reduced that particular gun violence, it was replaced by using other guns and rifles. There are so many more guns out there that are more dangerous than an AR right now.
Point is knives, guns, cars, bombs etc will always be used to kill people and banning one thing doesn’t solve the problem.
Originally posted by Robtard
500k-3mil is quite a stretch.IMO, if armed civic minded citizens routinely stopped crimes, let alone taking down a mass murderer/shooting, the NRA and gun lobby would be plastering that data for all to see. eg if some armed citizen had taken down the shooter in El Paso, it'd be all over the news and rightfully so.
If a guy tries to rob someone and the other guy flashes a gun and the guy decides against it, that's a DGU. You don't have to even fire a shot for it to be a DGU.
And therein lies the problem, a lot of incidents like that won't be reported.
Originally posted by Robtard
500k-3mil is quite a stretch.IMO, if armed civic minded citizens routinely stopped crimes, let alone taking down a mass murderer/shooting, the NRA and gun lobby would be plastering that data for all to see. eg if some armed citizen had taken down the shooter in El Paso, it'd be all over the news and rightfully so.
Do you have a study you believe is more accurate?
Originally posted by Surtur
If a guy tries to rob someone and the other guy flashes a gun and the guy decides against it, that's a DGU. You don't have to even fire a shot for it to be a DGU.And therein lies the problem, a lot of incidents like that won't be reported.
That's fair enough.
But when it comes to these mass murderer shootings, I don't recall the last one where a citizen took down the shooter. Do you? I recall the "good guy with a gun" angle really took traction in 2012 after Sandy Hook, but nothing seems to support that.
All this talk reminded me of this:
If you've not seen High or Highwater, you should, it's a good film. But in this scene the two brothers just robbed a bank and a caravan of armed citizens are chasing them down with the intent of bringing them to justice.
There was that church shooting in texas I think a year or two ago, a guy with a gun saved a few lives. The media didn't cover it much.
https://nypost.com/2017/11/10/texas-church-shooting-hero-doesnt-want-the-praise/