Originally posted by BackFire
Fiction is art. There are various reasons why violence would be used in art.Violent sports have been around for centuries.
Overall, humanity is a violent species, with a long history of extreme violence.
Indeed, so do you think a more than a small portion of people like violence in real life even if they say they don’t?
People who think train wrecks are awful are the same ones who would love to watch one.
Originally posted by BrolyBlackI think that's different, empathy and gladiatorial combat are not the same thing and a fictional narrative for mental normal people makes, movies, the wwe palatable. Also there is a level of admiration for gladiator, particularly when they take damage as well as dish it out. When Fury got of the floor like the undertaker in the Wilder fight who didn't feel some Adrenalin?
Indeed, so do you think a more than a small portion of people like violence in real life even if they say they don’t?People who think train wrecks are awful are the same ones who would love to watch one.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Indeed, so do you think a more than a small portion of people like violence in real life even if they say they don’t?People who think train wrecks are awful are the same ones who would love to watch one.
I think it all depends on the context and how it's presented. You bringing up UFC and things like that makes for an interesting example. While UFC is definitely violent, I think you could argue that most people don't necessarily watch that for the violence but for the excitement of two people battling in such a way. The violence is a byproduct, and there are rules in place to keep it as safe as possible.
Violence in movies and books are a completely different beast. Some movies celebrate violence, but in doing so usually present it in an over the top, digestible way in order to make it enjoyable. The movies and books that present violence as it is usually are doing so in order to make a grander point about the human condition and violence's role in it. Usually the movies that have the most unsettling use of violence and cruelty are actively arguing against said violence.
Do people enjoy violence? I don't know if "enjoy" is the right word. I think many are fascinated by it. But I don't think you'll find many people who drive by a car accident and feel joy if they see someone being carried off in a stretcher.
I do think the capacity for great evil and violence rests in every human heart, though. And that's how you get otrocities committed all over the world, all through out history.
I think people do enjoy violence, but when it's fictional they understand that and why they can enjoy; you watch the gore yet you know it's not real.
eg Taye Diggs getting his face cut off was an awesome "F**k yeah!" moment in Equilibrium, while I don't think your average person would go "F**k yeah!" in regards to watching some Jihadist or Mexican cartel video of some victim actually being beheaded (befaced?).
Originally posted by BackFire
I think it all depends on the context and how it's presented. You bringing up UFC and things like that makes for an interesting example. While UFC is definitely violent, I think you could argue that most people don't necessarily watch that for the violence but for the excitement of two people battling in such a way. The violence is a byproduct, and there are rules in place to keep it as safe as possible.Violence in movies and books are a completely different beast. Some movies celebrate violence, but in doing so usually present it in an over the top, digestible way in order to make it enjoyable. The movies and books that present violence as it is usually are doing so in order to make a grander point about the human condition and violence's role in it. Usually the movies that have the most unsettling use of violence and cruelty are actively arguing against said violence.
Do people enjoy violence? I don't know if "enjoy" is the right word. I think many are fascinated by it. But I don't think you'll find many people who drive by a car accident and feel joy if they see someone being carried off in a stretcher.
I do think the capacity for great evil and violence rests in every human heart, though. And that's how you get otrocities committed all over the world, all through out history.
How much violence and killing do you think crosses over from fiction to reality? Does plaguing the population of 330 million people with violent fiction and graphic movies, tv, ufc and other forms cross over at all? It must, but I’m curious what the % would be if possible to determine.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
How much violence and killing do you think crosses over from fiction to reality? Does plaguing the population of 330 million people with violent fiction and graphic movies, tv, ufc and other forms cross over at all? It must, but I’m curious what the % would be if possible to determine.
Very little, if any.
I think blaming violent media for real world violence is a copout.
Originally posted by Bashar Teginteresting fact when I had my second knee OP Mr Mofta my Surgeon said he would ban Rugby because it's so uncontrolled in the types of impact etc. He felt boxing was safer, most of my bad injuries where the damage still exists or repair was needed was from Rugby not boxing or Muay Thai.
i don't think it's okay for sports. fully opposed to mma and especially american football. f*ck football. isnt that sad? football is so dangerous and damaging that i rate it far above 2 guys literally just beating the shit out of eachother