Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
If some Parademos were able to handle Steppenwolf, then Vader's Force Power would certainly do.
But characters who are way more powerful than parademons couldn't handle Steph. How do you explain that?
Movie inconsistency? High and low showings? Parademons get more powerful off fear?
Originally posted by h1a8
But characters who are way more powerful than parademons couldn't handle Steph. How do you explain that?
Movie inconsistency? High and low showings? Parademons get more powerful off fear?
I call it fear. Fear and depression. Fear seems to still be a powerful weapon, even against "Gods".
Steppenwolf would eventually feel impotent against someone like Vader. Honestly, Vader could TK both Steppenwolf while removing his axe from his hand.
Okay but TK can only be as strong as the user (Force connection) is and we've never seen Vader or any Star Wars character canon try any of that stuff on people with vast superhuman strength and durability; he's managed to lift AT Sts and heavy ass things of that nature sure but Step and his ilk throw tanks and missiles like softballs; their damage output, durability and overall strength is way out of the league of any SW characters Force ability, how exactly can Vader Force crush someone that can stand up to assaults from people like Wonder Woman?
Originally posted by relentless1
Okay but TK can only be as strong as the user (Force connection) is and we've never seen Vader or any Star Wars character canon try any of that stuff on people with vast superhuman strength and durability; he's managed to lift AT Sts and heavy ass things of that nature sure but Step and his ilk throw tanks and missiles like softballs; their damage output, durability and overall strength is way out of the league of any SW characters Force ability, how exactly can Vader Force crush someone that can stand up to assaults from people like Wonder Woman?
There is no arguing that Steppenwolf physical stats are far superior to Vader's.
However, how can these protect him from something like Telekinesis or Force Choke?
How can Steppenwolf avoid getting levitated by Vader? He is super strong, but he isn't superheavy! I don't think Steppenwolf is heavier than the heaviest objects Vader has been able to lift.
Sure, Steppenwolf is massively stronger than Vader (Steppenwolf definitely wins the arm-wrestling competition here). But strength bares no connection to body weight, at least there is no evidence of such in the movies.
In the same manner, Steppenwolf durability feats are peak (reason why I believe the Lightsaber wouldn't be an important factor here), yet, how durable is Steppenwolf's trachea?
Do we have any indicator that Steppenwolf's trachea woudn't be smashed by a pissed off Vader? Can Steppenwolf survive this?
I see no indicator to suggest that Steppenwolf can handle being levitated (he can't fly) nor that his wind-pipe won't be sealed by Darth Vader.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderSure he doesn't need to crush the trachea. Just block it.
There is no arguing that Steppenwolf physical stats are far superior to Vader's.However, how can these protect him from something like Telekinesis or Force Choke?
How can Steppenwolf avoid getting levitated by Vader? He is super strong, but he isn't superheavy! I don't think Steppenwolf is heavier than the heaviest objects Vader has been able to lift.
Sure, Steppenwolf is massively stronger than Vader (Steppenwolf definitely wins the arm-wrestling competition here). But strength bares no connection to body weight, at least there is no evidence of such in the movies.
In the same manner, Steppenwolf durability feats are peak (reason why I believe the Lightsaber wouldn't be an important factor here), yet, how durable is Steppenwolf's trachea?
Do we have any indicator that Steppenwolf's trachea woudn't be smashed by a pissed off Vader? Can Steppenwolf survive this?
I see no indicator to suggest that Steppenwolf can handle being levitated (he can't fly) nor that his wind-pipe won't be sealed by Darth Vader.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
There is no arguing that Steppenwolf physical stats are far superior to Vader's.However, how can these protect him from something like Telekinesis or Force Choke?
How can Steppenwolf avoid getting levitated by Vader? He is super strong, but he isn't superheavy! I don't think Steppenwolf is heavier than the heaviest objects Vader has been able to lift.
Sure, Steppenwolf is massively stronger than Vader (Steppenwolf definitely wins the arm-wrestling competition here). But strength bares no connection to body weight, at least there is no evidence of such in the movies.
In the same manner, Steppenwolf durability feats are peak (reason why I believe the Lightsaber wouldn't be an important factor here), yet, how durable is Steppenwolf's trachea?
Do we have any indicator that Steppenwolf's trachea woudn't be smashed by a pissed off Vader? Can Steppenwolf survive this?
I see no indicator to suggest that Steppenwolf can handle being levitated (he can't fly) nor that his wind-pipe won't be sealed by Darth Vader.
By such an idiotic logic and no limit fallacies, Vader can choke Superman, Thor, Hulk, Loki, Wonder Woman, Ares and so on.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Idiotic? Says the guy who has been wailing about how he is such a fan of DC, reason why he thinks SW wins.We debate based on feats, not fanboyisms.
You’re using a no limit fallacy you moron, there is no debate. It has nothing to do with me liking DC. I am just as much a fan as the original 3, and the Cartoon Network series.
So yes, using your idiotic fallacy with Vader and the force, he should also beat able to beat Superman, Thor, Wonder Woman, Thanos and so on.
Originally posted by SquallX
You’re using a no limit fallacy you moron, there is no debate. It has nothing to do with me liking DC. I am just as much a fan as the original 3, and the Cartoon Network series.So yes, using your idiotic fallacy with Vader and the force, he should also beat able to beat Superman, Thor, Wonder Woman, Thanos and so on.
Feats boy, feats.
Stop trying to strawman. Steppenwolf feats don't suggest his wind-pipe can handle the pressure.
Originally posted by h1a8
I doubt that Vader can crush the throat of someone as durable as Steph. But Vader can win by lifting Steph and cutting him with the lightsaber.
I don't think so either, but crushing bones and closing an air channel are different things.