That time a utopia collapsed

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It was an experiment with rats. They were given a large area, all the food and water they'd ever need, and their every need met.

It went well, at first. Eventually, the "beautiful people" segregated themselves from the "rabble", merely grooming all day, while the "masses" stopped mating and started killing and eating each other.

This, despite having ample room to increase the population size, and unlimited resources.

Yes, they are rats, and we are much more complex. But, at heart, we all have the same basic needs... Even us hyper evolved humans, are really simple creatures at heart that are driven by much the same things as a rat.

And this feeds into a theory I've had for awhile, that suspects we humans are NOT as free willed as we'd like to believe. Quite the opposite, it seems we take these social roles very much against our will.

Another argument for another day, however.

Originally posted by cdtm
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It was an experiment with rats. They were given a large area, all the food and water they'd ever need, and their every need met.

It went well, at first. Eventually, the "beautiful people" segregated themselves from the "rabble", merely grooming all day, while the "masses" stopped mating and started killing and eating each other.

This, despite having ample room to increase the population size, and unlimited resources.

Yes, they are rats, and we are much more complex. But, at heart, we all have the same basic needs... Even us hyper evolved humans, are really simple creatures at heart that are driven by much the same things as a rat.

And this feeds into a theory I've had for awhile, that suspects we humans are NOT as free willed as we'd like to believe. Quite the opposite, it seems we take these social roles very much against our will.

Another argument for another day, however.

They were mice.

Also, the lack of purpose (fighting for food and territory) is believed to be what drove them to failure.

Since humans are far more complex and have much different drives, we create purpose in everything. If we could create a society like this, we'd create purposes and drive where none seemingly existed. You might actually get something in the exact opposite of the mice, really.

Homicide wouldn't be tolerated in a Utopia like in the mouse kingdom.

Assaults of all kinds wouldn't be tolerated.

There is no point to theft so it wouldn't exist.

Except humans do just fine stealing and killing, even if coming from utopia like conditions and having unlimited freedom to make their own purposes. With no other obstacles to overcome, somehow humans still manage to act like those rats in a cage.

Why, you ask? Because it's interesting. Do you think that's a little crazy? But you know, people actually want to see cruelty. Peace can be such a wonderful thing, but something about it is lacking. Losing touch with life and death perhaps? We should live thinking this might be the last day we've got. That's the only proper state of mind for living things.

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props to anyone who got that reference

Human beings look for problems when they are bored. It’s human nature as a whole.

Give human beings freedom, and they will choose chains of some kind because they fathom of being truly free.

Look at the US for example. The US now are choosing communism over Capitalism, when we know Communism have killed over 100 million of people.

Yeah, I saw some communism the other day and I was like "F**k! you, communism, get out of my country!"

Originally posted by cdtm
Except humans do just fine stealing and killing, even if coming from utopia like conditions and having unlimited freedom to make their own purposes. With no other obstacles to overcome, somehow humans still manage to act like those rats in a cage.

Correction to what you just said:

Humans have never lived and will never live in an idealistic utopia and, therefore, the point you make here is completely wrong.

When humans who come from a pure utopia actually are allowed and tolerated to murder and steal, you'll have a point.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Why, you ask? Because it's interesting. Do you think that's a little crazy? But you know, people actually want to see cruelty. Peace can be such a wonderful thing, but something about it is lacking. Losing touch with life and death perhaps? We should live thinking this might be the last day we've got. That's the only proper state of mind for living things.

Spoiler:
props to anyone who got that reference

Attack on Titan.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, I saw some communism the other day and I was like "F**k! you, communism, get out of my country!"

Nice try but OCS, Sanders, Omar, and many Democrats are still here!

You almost had me fooled.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Correction to what you just said:

Humans have never lived and will never live in an idealistic utopia and, therefore, the point you make here is completely wrong.

When humans who come from a pure utopia actually are allowed and tolerated to murder and steal, you'll have a point.

I said "utopia like conditions".

It was YOU who said a under certain conditions, if there is no reason to commit certain crimes, then no crimes will be commited.

To that, I say the 1%, who certainly live in utopia like conditions where their every need or desire is met, have no reason to steal or murder. Yet they do.

Originally posted by cdtm
I said "utopia like conditions".

It was YOU who said a under certain conditions, if there is no reason to commit certain crimes, then no crimes will be commited.

To that, I say the 1%, who certainly live in utopia like conditions where their every need or desire is met, have no reason to steal or murder. Yet they do.

No, those types still do not live in utopia-like conditions.

You view it as that. But it is not. It is not possible to do it for humans unless they become gods.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, those types still do not live in utopia-like conditions.

You view it as that. But it is not. It is not possible to do it for humans unless they become gods.

Would explain a lot about the elites.

And why god games are popular. I could never get into them myself, just give me an arcade game to hone my reflex's, or some solid goal oriented gaming.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, those types still do not live in utopia-like conditions.

You view it as that. But it is not. It is not possible to do it for humans unless they become gods.

Wait a minute, does this mean that Twilight Zone episode about the guy who wins at everything is in hell, is a big lie?

Is it pure fiction, that anyone would hate always getting what they want?

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, I saw some communism the other day and I was like "F**k! you, communism, get out of my country!"

Can’t you ever debate without being an ass?

Trump and his supporters live rent free in Rob's head. Just imagine how hard that must be for him. Perhaps cut him a little slack.

I've bred mice as a kid (for pets) & later in life (for snake food) & I personally think that experiment was flawed.

The 101 inch square enclosure would've been too small to house an estimated 3000+ population.

It was also designed with human observation as a priority instead of a more natural environment that would put less stress on the inhabitants.

Plus take in factors of continuous inbreeding would've had an effect on personality traits & breeding patterns.

Originally posted by cdtm
Wait a minute, does this mean that Twilight Zone episode about the guy who wins at everything is in hell, is a big lie?

Sounds like godlike conditions to me. 🙂

I think you inadvertently realized what I said is correct.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nice try but OCS, Sanders, Omar, and many Democrats are still here!

You almost had me fooled.

Not communist, comrade.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not communist, comrade.

Right, their democratic socialists 😆