Perhaps these journalists should stop asking all these 70+ year old directors about Marvel films. These guys came from a very different era of cinema. It's like asking your grandparents about things such as video games or rap/hip and rock/metal. I mean if directors like Orson Welles, Stanley Kubrick and Alfred Hitchcock were alive today, I'm certain they'd have a similar view. Hell Welles probably would have been more harsh than FFC.
Though I would like someone to ask Nicolas Cage how he feels about what his uncle said seeing as how he's been in some comic films and even changed his birth surname as a tribute to Luke Cage.
Scorsese clarifies his comments
https://ew.com/movies/2019/11/04/martin-scorsese-marvel-new-york-times-op-ed/
so really, Its not at all about hating on the Marvel films
Still don't agree with his comments. Since he's seen so few of the Marvel films, he really isn't giving a qualified opinion. I'd like to see him say everything he's been saying after watching Spider-Man: Into The Spider Verse; that's just one brilliant example.
Sorry you're feeling marginalized late in life, Marty. But you and your generational peers (Lucas, Spielberg, Coppola, DePalma etc.) got your break in the film business in the late 1960's when it was failing at the box office, when studio heads didn't know what worked for audiences anymore. After Easy Rider came out and changed everything, they gave you young guys a shot and the rest is history. When what's currently working at the box office no longer works, change will happen.
And sorry that your buddy Spielberg doesn't think Netflix related films should qualify for the Oscars. Don't take your frustrations out on the most popular and critically acclaimed movie series (MCU) out there right now.
Re: Re: Martin Scorcese Slams Marvel
Originally posted by Kazenji
Scorsese clarifies his commentshttps://ew.com/movies/2019/11/04/martin-scorsese-marvel-new-york-times-op-ed/
so really, Its not at all about hating on the Marvel films
“Many films today are perfect products manufactured for immediate consumption,” he continues. “Many of them are well made by teams of talented individuals. All the same, they lack something essential to cinema: the unifying vision of an individual artist. Because, of course, the individual artist is the riskiest factor of all.”
So he's really railing against filmmaking by committee. Corporate approval without taking risk. Totally sympathize. However, the Guardians of the Galaxy films are definitely the exception to the rule and they turned out to be the best.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
...but I imagine he's speaking more out of irritation that comicbook films have basically taken over the market and smaller, more human films get buried and obscured....
I called it...
[b]Scorsese also clarifies (again) that his issue is more with the impact franchise films are having than the movies themselves. “In many places around this country and around the world, franchise films are now your primary choice if you want to see something on the big screen. It’s a perilous time in film exhibition, and there are fewer independent theaters than ever,” he writes.
See I think his gripe is still silly. I think we're heading towards more and more options for movies available to be ordered at home the same day as they get released in theaters. People are gonna have more choices than what they seem to have now: a superhero show, a shitty animated kids film, and a random rom com.
It *actually* sounds like his gripe is the waning popularity of movie theaters. A theater that shows independent movies? Yeah probably will go the way of the Dodo, but independent films will still live on. So will cliche gangster flicks.
Originally posted by roughrider
Still don't agree with his comments. Since he's seen so few of the Marvel films, he really isn't giving a qualified opinion. I'd like to see him say everything he's been saying after watching Spider-Man: Into The Spider Verse; that's just one brilliant example.
His opinion is just that and doesnt need to be a qualified one.
Originally posted by roughrider
Sorry you're feeling marginalized late in life, Marty. But you and your generational peers (Lucas, Spielberg, Coppola, DePalma etc.) got your break in the film business in the late 1960's when it was failing at the box office, when studio heads didn't know what worked for audiences anymore. After Easy Rider came out and changed everything, they gave you young guys a shot and the rest is history. When what's currently working at the box office no longer works, change will happen.And sorry that your buddy Spielberg doesn't think Netflix related films should qualify for the Oscars. Don't take your frustrations out on the most popular and critically acclaimed movie series (MCU) out there right now.
Agree with all this though.
Originally posted by Surtur
See now the "netflix films shouldn't qualify for oscars" is silly to me.If it's a shitty film no need to worry, if it's a good film why should it be discounted? Did all these directors just become film snobs in their old age? Disappointing.
I wonder if a young Steven Spielberg would agree.
Nah its just theyre feeling irrelevant with the box office being taken over by superhero movies, and audiences turning to Netflix for everything else.
But like Roughrider pointed outs, these same guys made the same kind of changes to cinema in their day, but now its turning away from what they know then theyre whining about it.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I called it...
Called it...
Originally posted by Inhuman
Especially if they cant get their current movie wide released other than to a streaming service. Of coarse they will be salty and try to look for whatever is popular to blame for their issues their movies are having.
Scorsese has some experience with this phenomenon; as he notes in the piece, his latest film, The Irishman, is playing in a very limited number of theaters for just a few weeks before being released via Netflix on Nov. 27. (It’s playing in those theaters now.) Paramount was set to distribute the film before dropping it over budgetary concerns.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
So he's really railing against filmmaking by committee. Corporate approval without taking risk. Totally sympathize. However, the Guardians of the Galaxy films are definitely the exception to the rule and they turned out to be the best.I called it...
GOtG is good for what it is.
Which is the superhero equivalent of the Rocky franchise. Raging Bull, it ain't.
Put another way, if the streaming biz was professional wrestling, studios would only be looking at Attitude Era and Rock and Wrestling stuff. We'd get plenty of Hulk Hogans and NWO's, but no Rick Flair's, no good story writing, no Chicara, no five star match's or old school fundamentals, none of it.
And that sounds like part of what he's griping about, these streaming services all producing fun popcorn flicks, and leaving no room for the next Citizen Kane. Because that requires risk and experimentation, which isn't what these companies are willing to invest in.