Superman vs flash who is faster?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
he actually didn't but ok, there's context for that but it's irrelevant because we go with the precedence. the more RECENT stuff

Do tell.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Wasn't the 1st time when Wally dusted Superman

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Let's show you why Abhi the king of misintrepration is wrong as usual

*sighs*

In Flash #33: Bats out of Hell, Superman has Barry run at his top speed and then we see what seems to be Barry lending Superman his built up KE and transferring it to him in the form of a Speed Force bolt, suddenly making Superman glow the same color and get faster:

In fact, that scan I just posted might actually be the second perspective of your scans. We now have more context behind Superman breaching the portal.

The rest of that feat:

A closer look showing that yes Barry amped Superman:

A closer look at what appears to be Barry transferring his KE to Superman:

Tell us what is happening before those panels Alberto.

"Those were for charity, Clark."

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Do tell.
That's Barry and he was amped on negative speed force there.
And you conveniently forgot the race across the world where Flash was going at full speed.

Tell us what is happening before those panels Alberto.

The panel just before that one:

If that was Barry's true full power then he either got much faster or Superman got slower.

In Flash War him and Wally outran him so bad that they never even realized Supes was behind them. And this was after they had already been running for a while.

But still good to see Supes keeping pace in that, however fast Barry was going.

Barry was apparently lending KE to Superman regardless. I have to read Metal over again to see if there was anything more behind that. It's been a while.

Very similar to when Wally was transferring Kinetic Energy to Supes and the others when he fought Anti Monitor.

A closer look. But of course the scene in Bats Out of Hell is drawn in a more detailed fashion.

And both of these are very similar to Barry lending Kinetic Energy to Steadfast. Though you can argue that Barry was only able to do it to a Still Force conduit:

The story from Tom King and artists Andy Kubert, Sandra Hope, and Brad Anderson recounts one such race between Flash and Superman, televised around the globe as people everywhere root for their favorite racer. Naturally, Superman falls behind soon after they start, rallying once or twice and closing the gap. But with the result seeming clear, Lex Luthor decides to pour some salt on the wounds of his famous foe.

Promising to double all charitable donations raised by the race--but only if Superman manages to win--Lex makes the Man of Steel responsible for "billions" of dollars NOT going to help the world's least fortunate. But Lex doesn't know that Superman is always listening for his enemy's voice... meaning he hears every word of the wager. And as the child narrating this unforgettable race explains, only then does Superman prove why he's one of a kind:

He was going to lose. But he knew if he lost, all those charities would lose, too. All that money. A billion dollars going from Lex Luthor's pocket into making a better world. So he couldn't lose. So he came to what I like to call a contradiction... A contradiction means there are two things that have to be true but they can't both be true... Everyone was saying it was over. He couldn't catch up. People were upset. But I wasn't upset. I was watching. I knew something they didn't know...

A person flying is a contradiction. No one can fly. it's impossible. But Superman. He flies. Having hope when there is no hope is a contradiction. But Superman always has hope. The world is full of contradiction... No matter what you do, how much you try or even cry or even do anything at all, that's everything and everything. But... but Superman. But Superman.

So while it goes without saying that Flash is obviously faster than Superman, putting the two against one another in a race changes the question. Who's faster? Flash. Who would win in a race when the future of the world is on the line? That's exactly the kind of scenario Superman is made for: doing the impossible for the sake of all humanity. We doubt even The Flash himself would argue the result.

https://screenrant.com/superman-flash-faster-race-dc-comic/

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Why wouldn't it be? Up in the Sky is Canon and set in continuity.

iirc Jonathan Kent being alive in it, takes it out of continuity.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The panel just before that one:

If that was Barry's true full power then he either got much faster or Superman got slower.

Under Williamson, two Flashes running together amp each other.

In Flash War him and Wally outran him so bad that they never even realized Supes was behind them. And this was after they had already been running for a while.

They didn't outrun him from start, they already had a heavy headstart and that was the main reason he couldn't catch up to them.

But still good to see Supes keeping pace in that, however fast Barry was going.

Barry was apparently lending KE to Superman regardless. I have to read Metal over again to see if there was anything more behind that. It's been a while.

😂

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Very similar to when Wally was transferring Kinetic Energy to Supes and the others when he fought Anti Monitor.

A closer look. But of course the scene in Bats Out of Hell is drawn in a more detailed fashion.

And both of these are very similar to Barry lending Kinetic Energy to Steadfast. Though you can argue that Barry was only able to do it to a Still Force conduit:

Originally posted by Galan007
Superman/Wally:

Um That’s a friendly race, wally wasn’t going all out and still won it... but OK lol thanks for proving my point

I can't see how they had a heavy head start, when he's literally joining them mid race.

If you start running a marathon at 8am, and I join the race at mile 20....Doesn't matter that you've had a head start.

Or in a 400m race, I join you at the 200m mark....

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Um That’s a friendly race, wally wasn’t going all out and still won it... but OK lol thanks for proving my point

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I can't see how they had a heavy head start, when he's literally joining them mid race.

If you start running a marathon at 8am, and I join the race at mile 20....Doesn't matter that you've had a head start.

Or in a 400m race, I join you at the 200m mark....

Originally posted by abhilegend
And who said Superman was giving it all?
They were already going at full speed, Superman had to catch up to them. He would've to be faster than both to be able to catch up to them.

No, he wouldn't have. As he was joining them mid run.

If a car goes past at 50mph, and my car joins it mid race at 40mph, I'd be next to it, but slowly losing ground. Like joining traffic on a highway.

Superman flew AFTER them. He wasn't starting ahead of them. If he had caught them, he would be faster than Flashes.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Why wouldn't it be? Up in the Sky is Canon and set in continuity.

Its canon bit extremely context heavy.

Barry repeatedly bbn left Clark in his dust ("hundreds of milesso "😉

Clark needed to dig deeeeeep to catch him.

To get close to Barry took so much out of him he was left leaning on his knees panting in exhaustion while Barry AGAIN left him behind (showing no signs of tiring or even pushing himslef)

Clark was HEAVILY motivated to leave Nothing behind, leave it ALL on the track.

So basically Clark hearing that Luthor would match any money made by the rave for charity (billion dollars) not only ensuring the charities have some major funds BUT ensuring Luthot has a billiin or so less dollars to spend on his evil ends. PLUS having the added bonus of causing his greatest enemy more personal hell and punishment than anything he has ever done made him pull out everyrhing to the point of sheer exhaustion (that Barry was clearly no where near and still had plenty in the tank) to JUST pip him at the post.

Yet somehow this is supposed to mean hes now faster than Flash

Originally posted by beatboks
Its canon bit extremely context heavy.

Barry repeatedly bbn left Clark in his dust ("hundreds of milesso "😉

Clark needed to dig deeeeeep to catch him.

To get close to Barry took so much out of him he was left leaning on his knees panting in exhaustion while Barry AGAIN left him behind (showing no signs of tiring or even pushing himslef)

Clark was HEAVILY motivated to leave Nothing behind, leave it ALL on the track.

So basically Clark hearing that Luthor would match any money made by the rave for charity (billion dollars) not only ensuring the charities have some major funds BUT ensuring Luthot has a billiin or so less dollars to spend on his evil ends. PLUS having the added bonus of causing his greatest enemy more personal hell and punishment than anything he has ever done made him pull out everyrhing to the point of sheer exhaustion (that Barry was clearly no where near and still had plenty in the tank) to JUST pip him at the post.

Yet somehow this is supposed to mean hes now faster than Flash

Originally posted by -Pr-
iirc Jonathan Kent being alive in it, takes it out of continuity.

Originally posted by Galan007
Let's squash this...

In mainstream DC, Jonathan and Martha Kent were killed in a car accident when Superman was in High School:

A death that is STILL canon as of "Doomsday Clock":

But as mentioned already: Pa is still alive in "Up In The Sky":

...Which means it is a non-canon series. Period, end of story.

IF UitS is canon, then that's one HELL of an oversight... ermm

I thought that Superman outright admitted that at full speed the Flash was superior to him in terms of speed? Do we ignore this?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What a bunch of nonsense. Superman just matched Flash going full tilt in Metal and his own series.

Shown in full detail here.

LMAO. Show one scene where Wally made Superman a statue. Superman has punched so fast that Wally could only watch and do nothing to prevent it.

Superman is not going to be shown faster than Flash but he isn't going to be shown too slow either. This isn't post Crisis Superman with fixed limits to his powers anymore.

People have discussed that first set of scans with you on multiple occasions. Myself included. Not going to start another discussion.

Flash War was very recent. It showed how monumental the gap between Superman and a Flash is definitive.

Post-Crisis Superman had fixed limits on his powers? Did someone forget to tell Grant Morrison?

Pre crisis needed no cosmic treadmill. Somehow a rainbow with dates would appear.