So how strong is Canon Luke?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah ares is right. That bit did right by the character.

No, that was completely wrong. Luke should have raised his X-Wing and gone there in person. Luke is the guy who confronted Darth Vader and the Emperor without fear. Imagine if Luke sent an illusion to Vader and Sidious in ROTJ. IT would have been terrible from a movie making perspective. Completely weightless and anticlimactic. And Luke is not some pacifist. He slaughtered Jabba's men when they refused to let Han go.

The original plan for IX when Colin Trevorrow was still attached to it was that Luke was going to train Rey and fight Snoke himself, while Rey and Ben deal some Sith Sorceress. Clearly the illusion in TLJ wasn't supposed to kill him in the first versions of the script. That's just one more thing Rian ruined.

Originally posted by Psychotron
No, that was completely wrong. Luke should have raised his X-Wing and gone there in person. Luke is the guy who confronted Darth Vader and the Emperor without fear. Imagine if Luke sent an illusion to Vader and Sidious in ROTJ. IT would have been terrible from a movie making perspective. Completely weightless and anticlimactic. And Luke is not some pacifist. He slaughtered Jabba's men when they refused to let Han go.

He took out Jabbas men after asking him multiple times to give up Han and even then was offering to compensate for him, after which Jabba responded with throwing Luke in with Rancor and feeding Han and Luke to the Sarlaac.

He literally gave Jabba one last chance before he was about to attempt to feed Luke to the Sarlaac.

He didnt slaughter the Ewoks when they were captured by them. He trusted in the Force to present itself with a peaceful solution. Heck even when he went to confront Vader and Palpatine in person he did not go there to fight. They wanted him to fight.

And in the end he throws his Lightsaber away leaving himself defenceless in front of the Emperor himself.

So no of course he wasnt a complete pacifist. He is willing to fight, but Yoda taught him a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defence, never for attack.

So aiding the Resistance to escape and survive without having to kill anyone (including his own nephew), was in line with a Jedi Master incarnation of the Luke we saw in ROTJ.

All his scenes and story build up before that part however was total BS. Also him dying probably should have been better justified. And yeah we should have at least got a flash back of Luke confronting Snoke and messing him up.

While I loved the whole illusions scene itself, Luke shouldn't have died. That was horrible and ruined the otherwise cool sequence. There was that great fakeout with his "death" with the reveal that he isn't actually there but then he dies anyway. It's awful. "Luke's dead! No he's alive! No he's actually dead!" Dreadful. Just constant flipflopping. It also prevented Luke from getting any real redemption in the series and from us getting to see him actually fight. **** Rian.

Cool as the projection feat was, if Luke had to die in TLJ no matter what, then I would have preferred him to have been present on Crait(in the flesh) for that encounter... Everything Luke did would have been SO much more impressive if he would've *actually* been there, and would have showcased the true "Jedi Master" that we were all hoping to see.

The projection thing would've been an excellent choice if they were going to have Luke survive into RoS... But instead Rian gave us the shittiest version of each scenario.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He took out Jabbas men after asking him multiple times to give up Han and even then was offering to compensate for him, after which Jabba responded with throwing Luke in with Rancor and feeding Han and Luke to the Sarlaac.

He literally gave Jabba one last chance before he was about to attempt to feed Luke to the Sarlaac.

He didnt slaughter the Ewoks when they were captured by them. He trusted in the Force to present itself with a peaceful solution. Heck even when he went to confront Vader and Palpatine in person he did not go there to fight. They wanted him to fight.

And in the end he throws his Lightsaber away leaving himself defenceless in front of the Emperor himself.

So no of course he wasnt a complete pacifist. He is willing to fight, but Yoda taught him a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defence, never for attack.

So aiding the Resistance to escape and survive without having to kill anyone (including his own nephew), was in line with a Jedi Master incarnation of the Luke we saw in ROTJ.

All his scenes and story build up before that part however was total BS. Also him dying probably should have been better justified. And yeah we should have at least got a flash back of Luke confronting Snoke and messing him up.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He took out Jabbas men after asking him multiple times to give up Han and even then was offering to compensate for him, after which Jabba responded with throwing Luke in with Rancor and feeding Han and Luke to the Sarlaac.

He literally gave Jabba one last chance before he was about to attempt to feed Luke to the Sarlaac.

He didnt slaughter the Ewoks when they were captured by them. He trusted in the Force to present itself with a peaceful solution. Heck even when he went to confront Vader and Palpatine in person he did not go there to fight. They wanted him to fight.

And in the end he throws his Lightsaber away leaving himself defenceless in front of the Emperor himself.

So no of course he wasnt a complete pacifist. He is willing to fight, but Yoda taught him a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defence, never for attack.

So aiding the Resistance to escape and survive without having to kill anyone (including his own nephew), was in line with a Jedi Master incarnation of the Luke we saw in ROTJ.

All his scenes and story build up before that part however was total BS. Also him dying probably should have been better justified. And yeah we should have at least got a flash back of Luke confronting Snoke and messing him up.

Luke's a Jedi, of course he tried to be diplomatic first, but when the chips are down he's not afraid to pull out his lightsaber and start swinging. He's a Jedi KNIGHT after all.

Luke's act of throwing away his lightsaber is symbolic, and you know that being a big SW fan. It was about rejecting hate and the dark side, not rejecting combat as a whole. The Emperor is still defeated with violence, but from Vader instead. The Jedi are willing to kill when they have to as long as they do so with a clear mind.

Yoda's speech rings kind of hollow considering he and Obi-Wan wanted Luke to kill Vader and Sidious. In fact, they both tried to assassinate them in ROTS.

Except they would have died anyway if Rey wasn't there to lift those rocks. Also, I have repeat myself here but if they wanted to kill off Luke it should have been in person. From a purely cinematic perspective it has far more weight. It could have cemented Kylo as a real villain, instead he looked like a joke (again).

I still think that a simple illusion killing him made Luke look really weak. In comparison you have Snoke, just some Palpatine puppet, nuking Luke's temple with the Force from light years away without breaking a sweat.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Luke's a Jedi, of course he tried to be diplomatic first, but when the chips are down he's not afraid to pull out his lightsaber and start swinging. He's a Jedi KNIGHT after all.

Luke's act of throwing away his lightsaber is symbolic, and you know that being a big SW fan. It was about rejecting hate and the dark side, not rejecting combat as a whole. The Emperor is still defeated with violence, but from Vader instead. The Jedi are willing to kill when they have to as long as they do so with a clear mind.

Yoda's speech rings kind of hollow considering he and Obi-Wan wanted Luke to kill Vader and Sidious. In fact, they both tried to assassinate them in ROTS.

Except they would have died anyway if Rey wasn't there to lift those rocks. Also, I have repeat myself here but if they wanted to kill off Luke it should have been in person. From a purely cinematic perspective it has far more weight. It could have cemented Kylo as a real villain, instead he looked like a joke (again).

I still think that a simple illusion killing him made Luke look really weak. In comparison you have Snoke, just some Palpatine puppet, nuking Luke's temple with the Force from light years away without breaking a sweat.

Im not claiming hes a complete pacifist. Just that in character thats his preference so it was fitting for the character to display that kind of a feat and subverting expectations.

Yoda and Obi-Wan seemed to have changed their philosophy a lot post ROTS. Youre right they went on an assassination mission, and the Jedi were soldiers during the Clone Wars.

But we see their change in what Yoda teaches Luke and in how Ben Kenobi deals with Maul. Its that change in philosophy that makes him so attuned to the light side and hence so much > Maul by this point.

And Luke possibly takes their teachings to him even further, as despite their change and teachings they expect him to kill Vader, which he refuses to do. And this was before Vader/Palpatine were triggering and tempting him into embracing the dark side. Point was he defeated the Sith without killing anyone. And it was never in his plan to kill Vader. (Although he was happy to distract both Sith whilst the Rebellion blow them all away).

I agree Lukes death wasnt justified the way they did it. And I have also stated we should have at least got a flash back of Luke messing up Snoke. And yeah lets not pretend TLJ Luke was consistent as a pacifist either given how he contemplates murdering his nephew in his sleep.

Just saying, the way he stopped the First Order wiping out the Resistance was actually very Luke. The rest of the film was not.

I have no idea how Luke expected the Resistance to flee, or why he didnt tell Leia what he was doing. TLJ isnt a good movie Lmao

We dont know for sure it was Snoke who shot the lightning in that comic, so wait for confirmation. But it does seem from the comics that it was indeed Luke who f***ed Snoke up.

We also know from the comics that even a pre-ESB Luke has so much raw power that he can shake a Star Destroyer without even realising it.

Originally posted by Galan007
In the comics we see that Luke eventually finds Jocasta Nu's makeshift 'school' and trove of Holocrons:
https://i.imgur.com/Ch9B5YU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ihWmjjP.jpg

Originally posted by Sheev
Are we even 100% sure that's Luke though?

Ahh cool thx. 😄

Not that we really needed anymore confirmation that it was Luke who found found Jocasta Nu's school, but I thought I may as well include this:

Luke: "This might be even better than Jocasta Nu's cache..."

And Soule [re]confirms:

👆

Can't believe posters here forced you to prove something so obvious.

👆 I know the art wasn't the best in Vader V2, but I never questioned whether or not it was Luke. Seemed clear as day right off the bat.

🙁

We have little evidence that indicates Luke is the all-powerful Jedi he was supposed to become after RotJ. The illusion feat he pulled off in TLJ is very impressive, but that's about it. We don't see him do much else, and that's not enough.

Logic, however, suggests he was one of--if not the--most powerful Jedi to ever live, based on his potential and the incredible amount of knowledge he had managed to gather by TLJ.

Originally posted by Petrus
the incredible amount of knowledge

YouTube video

lol.

I used to think the implication in TLJ was that Luke had not read the ancient texts.

He definitely did though. He learned the projection technique from one of the texts, for example.

Originally posted by Galan007
I used to think the implication in TLJ was that Luke had not read the ancient texts.

He definitely did though. He learned the projection technique from one of the texts, for example.

That was definitely the implication. But as usual the Canon EU does its best to justify and improve upon the ST.

So this technique-

Was Luke actually peering into Kylo's future there??😕

He was just sensing what was on his mind.