Has Trump given Syria to Erdogan or Putin or both?

Originally posted by Surtur
Oi stop calling us yanks ya limey f*ck.

Amen. I'm from the south and therefore resent being called it (which means wittle pooty will probably start calling me it all the time now just to troll me lol).

Oh, and there was never any actual proof shown that Assad killed his own people, pooty. Not surprised you believe the mainstream narrative though considering how you naively swallow everything the establishment feeds you w/out questioning it. Bet you also foolishly believe everything the government said about 9/11 as well lol.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Amen. I'm from the south and therefore resent being called it (which means wittle pooty will probably start calling me it all the time now lol).

Oh, and there was never any actual proof shown that Assad killed his own people, pooty. Not surprised you believe the mainstream narrative though considering how you naively swallow everything the establishment feeds you w/out questioning it. Bet you also foolishly believe everything the government said about 9/11 as well lol.

Originally posted by Surtur
Oi stop calling us yanks ya limey f*ck.

Sorry, I don't buy the story that Assad gassed his own people.

Best advice you can give your Syrian friends: leave Syria.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Sorry, I don't buy that Assad gassed his own people.

Originally posted by Surtur
Best advice you can give your Syrian friends: leave Syria.

Been to Bahrain, it was very boring as we weren't allowed to leave the base.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Been to Bahrain, it was very boring as we weren't allowed to leave the base.

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Originally posted by Putinbot1
Assad has been propped up by us and the yanks for years as well as the Russians who he is still close to. The Arab spring was probably caused by the US and UK amongst others. ISIS is a result of the US and UK actions. The Kurds were being exterminated by Sunni Muslims as long ago as the Gulf War. The Turks are merely continuing what Iraq and ISIS started with them. I could get a lot more complicated but, the second Gulf war was as much about stopping Shia and Kurd genocide by the Sunni as it was weapons of mass destruction. Russia as in Africa just wants a piece of the tasty weapons selling pie and exploitation that the UK, US and France have going on.

Seems to me that this is a complicated issue where a lot of countries looking to their own interests contributed to what ended up as a major shitstorm of epic proportions. And some of that shitstorm contributed to what Syria is today.

So from what I’m seeing, the entire thread is about the US deciding to no longer intervene in order to try and prevent Turkey/Russia from taking Syria. Even tho US intervention contributed to the shitstorm in the area but this time around, US intervention is good so Trump should not stop it? Is this correct?

So politics as usual then?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Seems to me that this is a complicated issue where a lot of countries looking to their own interests contributed to what ended up as a major shitstorm of epic proportions. And some of that shitstorm contributed to what Syria is today.

So from what I’m seeing, the entire thread is about the US deciding to no longer intervene in order to try and prevent Turkey/Russia from taking Syria. Even tho US intervention contributed to the shitstorm in the area but this time around, US intervention is good so Trump should not stop it? Is this correct?

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Well do you leave a situation where a genocide may happen of people who supported you?

Generally no. At least you should at allow for the evacuation of those that supported you.

I thought the US supported THEM (US supported their fight, not them supporting the US’s fight in Syria, proxy war or no, it is them that is fighting for something in Syria. That is a very important distinction however as you should never abandon someone that helped you but there is a limit to how much you can help someone) not the other way around, tho?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Generally no. At least you should at allow for the evacuation of those that supported you.

I thought the US supported THEM (US supported their fight, not them supporting the US’s fight in Syria, proxy war or no, it is them that is fighting for something in Syria. That is a very important distinction however as you should never abandon someone that helped you but there is a limit to how much you can help someone) not the other way around, tho?

If anyone is wondering why I'm not commenting here, or commenting on many threads of foreign policy topics, it's not out of some squirmy desire to not address "DRUMF" but rather me conceding that I don't know what I'm talking about in regards to foreign policy so I'm not going to pretend to have much of a point of view on most foreign policy issues I would feel comfortable defending.

Really my only foreign policy stances I'm confident in are that free trade is good economics (which anyone who has paid attention to me would notice I have actually criticized Trump on this point), and that I'm extremely skeptical of the sacrifice of national sovereignty to international bodies. But I have next to no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to foreign wars and where on the scale from hardcore interventionist to isolationist the US should fall.

I can say free trade is economically beneficial, and I can say based on the right of a nation's people to self-determination and self governance and on the importance of their voices being heard and represented that governance shouldn't exceed very far past the national level. What I can't do is pretend to have a firm stance on what is worth spilling American blood on foreign soil for, or what destabilizing effects we might have through our actions or what avenues we open up to others through our inaction, or what we could actually do to significantly improve the middle east and make it less of a war torn shithole.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
I believe if you create a situation, you shouldn't abdicate responsibility. Led alone leave your own soldiers and allies at risk.

I'm an anti-war, tree-hugging, "please, let everyone smoke weed and do drugs without it being a crime", LGBTQ+ rights loving, separation of church and state desiring, liberal hippie.

When I say, "Bring our troops home. No more foreign wars!" I mean it. Bring them all home. Regardless of the outcomes of bringing our troops home, all of them must come back.

I didn't stutter. I mean bring them back.

It's impossible to shame someone like me with, "You were part of creating that mess!" Because I think the greater shame, by far, is continuing to wage wars on lands that do not belong to us.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Really, there isn't here and giving the middle east to allies of Iran in Russias case seems strange. With Turkey the can of worms is bigger still Erdogan wants to bring back the Ottoman empire.

Well, the call for support in evacuation needs to come from said allies I think. You cannot evacuate a ppl not willing to leave a land that isn’t yours after all.

I feel the while the word “give” loosely falls within the definition of the word that you have provided, the implication of the word is inappropriate for what is happening here. The US didn’t simply allow Russia/Turkey to take Syria, the US fought in the proxy war and decided that this war torn land was simply not worth it. Regardless of how you might feel from a strategic standpoint, it is hard for me to condemn a country deciding to no longer pay the cost of blood over land that was never theirs to fight over in the first place.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Erdogan meets with Putin Tuesday.

The "allied" troops including Delta Force and the SAS had to be flown out as an emergency measure as they were without support. The Kurds are now being hit with Air Strikes by Accident despite having been allies or the allies... wtf!

Considering Democrats, Republicans, Independents and many key military figures are saying that Trump pulling out of Syria in the manner he'd doing is disastrous, yes, it's very possible Trump is going "here you go!" to his buddies.

As far as KMC's Trumper squad (eg SquallX, Star/fly etc) who are defending this on the grounds of "we don't belong in the Middle East; Trump is pulling out as promised", they are not "coming home", they're staying in the Middle East, Iraq to be exact: US troops leaving Syria will go to Iraq, says Pentagon chief

Originally posted by Robtard
Considering Democrats, Republicans, Independents and many key military figures are saying that Trump pulling out of Syria in the manner he'd doing is disastrous, yes, it's very possible Trump is going "here you go!" to his buddies.

As far as KMC's Trumper squad (eg SquallX, Star/fly etc) who are defending this on the grounds of "we don't belong in the Middle East; Trump is pulling out as promised", they are not "coming home", they're staying in the Middle East, Iraq to be exact: [b]US troops leaving Syria will go to Iraq, says Pentagon chief [/B]