Originally posted by NemeBroHe's disputing the fact that it's an alternate future... Even though it very clearly IS. That's how Marvel cosmology is laid out: future events = alternate events by default.
What? Did you not read the most recent two issues of Immortal Hulk? Which part are you disputing?
And to further drive that point home: right now, in current publication, we have witnessed two completely different renditions of Marvel's 'end', in two completely different titles: "Immortal Hulk", and "History of the Marvel Universe".
In the IH issues, [TOBA] Hulk is the last being remaining at the end of all things, and he had already killed Franklin Richards and Galactus billionS of years prior:
Yet in HotMU, it is Franklin and Galactus who are the final beings remaining at the end of all things, and will usher in the next cosmos:
IOW, even current Marvel is giving us two completely different takes on how the existing creation ends... So which 'end of all things' do we go by? Or should we do the more logical thing and assume they are both taking place in alternate futures(which, as I said, is already an established concept in Marvel)..?
It's basically a What If that's showing us what happens in 'x' alternate timeline when Hulk reigns supreme at the end of things. Could the Franklin in that timeline be just as powerful as he is in mainstream 616? Absolutely. Is there any way to know for sure? Not really(unless it's clarified in subsequent issues or w/e.)
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Well he did reach out and eat the source of Galactus' power like a bag of chips. Do you really want to go that route DS? Despite all of the hype surrounding a few characters with very few combat feats that are touted as beings of great power. Or, maybe Franklin packed a suitcase and decided to willingly jump right into TOBA's mouth?
The route I am going is consistent with how the forum treats future versions of characters.
How do we know, for example, that Superman 1M can likely do what Current Superman can? We are explicitly told and shown his power level (iirc he even recreated Lois etc from DNA).
What about Old Man Logan? He's explicitly the same (up to a specific point) as Current Logan - but he's older, slower, weaker. Doe we give him the same feats as Current? No.
Do the Franklin and Galactus that TOBA ate get the same feats? Are they a S1M or an OML? We cannot say.
Originally posted by Astner
Based on that it's a future that takes place "eons from now," i.e. it's a future that has not yet taken place.From Immortal Hulk #24.
Did you read Galan's scan. My question stemmed from the scrutiny that several posters attempted to place on TOBA. They attempted to invalidate the idea that TOBA was extremely powerful, while not placing the same level of scrutiny on several other questionable characters. Even being an alternate future doesn't give anyone reason to allude to the idea that the beings that he killed were any weaker than the original ones are.
Originally posted by Stoic
Doesn't give you the go ahead to invalidate him killing them, or imagining them to be weaker than their 616 selves of the past. We did see him devour the entity that made Galactus, Galactus. He killed it with ease.
Nor does it give you the go ahead to imagine them being the same or stronger. As I said, we don't know if they became stronger (S1M) or weaker (OML).
