Pre-retcon Beyonder vs. Death of the Endless

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LordGod Shaper of Reality

Pre-retcon Beyonder vs. Death of the Endless

VS

Death of the Endless wants to kill Beyonder. Beyonder wants to kill Death of the Endless.

How does it play out?

MrMind Senior Member

Death wins via superior cosmology

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Even POST Retcon Beyonder would win. He's already destroyed the concept of Death across the entire multiverse in Marvel :
The original (pre retcon) event :

Confirmed as a valid feat (post retcon) :

And here it is confirmed in the LT's handbook entry (it's also in Beyonder's and Death's Handbook entry too) :

LordGod Shaper of Reality

Marvel's Death = Death of the Endless in your opinion?

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by LordGod
Marvel's Death = Death of the Endless in your opinion?

My opinion is meaningless. Let's see what Marvel writers think :

That's Mistress Death revealing some of her forms to Rachel. See the figure on the lower left hand side? She looks familiar no?

Beyonder wins.

LordGod Shaper of Reality

You do realize that Death of the Endless isn;t a Marvel character and your scan there is completely meaningless?

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by LordGod
You do realize that Death of the Endless isn;t a Marvel character and your scan there is completely meaningless?

You do realize that that's how MARVEL WRITERS see 616 Death.

LordGod Shaper of Reality

You do realize that DC/VERTIGO WRITERS (you know- the people responsible for actually creating Death of the Endless) don't give a f8ck what Marvel writers think?

Is this the kind of "debating" you always do? It's really weird and wholly nonsensical. 😕

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by LordGod
You do realize that DC/VERTIGO WRITERS (you know- the people responsible for actually creating Death of the Endless) don't give a f8ck what Marvel writers think?

Is this the kind of "debating" you always do? It's really weird and wholly nonsensical. 😕


A) Vertigo Death is................wait for it...............an abstract force representing Death (universal or multiversal makes no difference in this case)
B) Marvel writers see Vertigo Death as just another face Marvel Death wears
C) Vertigo Death should be honored to be mentioned in the same sentence as Marvel Death because Vertigo Death has like NO FEATS or FIGHTS to her name
D) Beyonder has destroyed Marvel Death (which actually has feats and fights to her name) and it was on a multiversal scale

Beyonder wins.

LordGod Shaper of Reality

Death of the Endless isn't a Marvel character. Therefore Marvel's opinions are meaningless to the actual character.

Now stop cluttering my thread with your troll shit or I'm going to report you.

BrolyBlack Restricted

The real question here is how does beyonder lose?

Also I’d Galan to chime in.

MrMind Senior Member

it took him so much power to erase death of marvel that he wasn't able to reverse the action

he'll do nothing to DOE

cdtm Restricted

Originally posted by Galan007
We know the most upper-echelon/elite beings in the hierarchy(like Lucifer) are immune to Death of the Endless, so it's possible that Beyonder might be also.

Could he erase her? Maybe, but I think it would require much more of his power than it did to erase Marvel's Death(yes, I believe Death of the Endless > Marvel Death.)

To be fair, she wasn't trying to kill Lucifer.

We do know he could die, since his oppositie number, Archangel Michael, died. Someone must have ferried him off, I'd think.

deft Senior Member

Probably the Beyonder can erase her, but lose much of his power in the process.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by MrMind
it took him so much power to erase death of marvel that he wasn't able to reverse the action

He DID reverse the action. He succeeded in the impossible. He killed something with the concept of Death being erased across the multiverse.

Something even Molecule Man couldn't do with all his power.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop
Even POST Retcon Beyonder would win. He's already destroyed the concept of Death across the entire multiverse in Marvel :
The original (pre retcon) event :

Confirmed as a valid feat (post retcon) :

And here it is confirmed in the LT's handbook entry (it's also in Beyonder's and Death's Handbook entry too) :

Except in post-retcon continuity, the Death who Beyonder killed has been downgraded to a universal aspect:
https://i.imgur.com/LSOUD6R.jpg

SquallX Senior Member

As long as a single soul exist in the Multiverse, DOE can’t die. It’s explain that DOE shall be the last being to close the doors once the Universes ends.

This fight is a tie, with maybe Beyonder finding a way to trap DOE.

kevdude The Hooded Man

Death of the Endless wins. I don't see him being able to harm her at all. She controls death and life as well. In a story, she stopped doing her job once, nothing in the DCU died, she took up her job again, because people was asking her too. She did that with no problem at all, The Beyonder can not do that without extremely exerting himself, and it weakened him to do so.

Lucifer can die, btw he threatened Death, and she warned him to back off, if she really wanted too, Death would have taken Lucifer, and he could not do anything about it, but she wasn't there for him, she was there for Elaine, since she would give her life for his. Death and Destiny/The Word are a constant, they were there at the beginning and will be there at the end.

BrolyBlack Restricted

DOE wins then

Genii96 Senior Member

Pre retcon beyonder snaps her out of existence,