Well.... I agree, Surfer and Thor are both much more versatile, and of they can get their attacks off, and they are the right attacks, then they would win. The debate is around whether they can, and would, choose the right attack and enact it.
But am amused that in this thread Surfer is rewriting DNA, whilst in another thread, against Hulk, they'll just fire generic energy blasts and punch....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well.... I agree, Surfer and Thor are both much more versatile, and of they can get their attacks off, and they are the right attacks, then they would win. The debate is around whether they can, and would, choose the right attack and enact it.But am amused that in this thread Surfer is rewriting DNA, whilst in another thread, against Hulk, they'll just fire generic energy blasts and punch....
Hey ...it’s because when it comes to the Hulk opponents (a) totally forget all their various super powers, (b) are supposed to stand in one spot and trade punches, and (c) any exotic powers used have to be limited to medium-sized blasts.
After all, we wouldn’t want the Hulk to be exposed for what it is.
A truly one-dimensional character!
This can be said about any of the Justice League as well (or anyone) When does anyone use all of their powers when they are fighting anyone on the Justice League? Did Orion use all of his abilities when he fought Superman? Did Martian Manhunter use all of his abilities when he fought Wonder Woman? It's not just the Hulk buddy. This applies to comics, period.
I understand - but when I brought it up against WBH (a guy Thor and Surfer actually know and have fought before), Stoic argued that they would rely on their fists and energy blasts:
Originally posted by Stoic
All of these tactics are bullshit. Thor would dive in and get owned. The Surfer would feel as if he were a part of the big bang as a thunder clap all but erases him. They wouldn't immediately go for tactics that they rarely use. They'd stick the usual blast or punch out routine and they'd die.
So am mystified as to why suddenly Surfer is rewriting DNA....
Originally posted by spetznaz
Hey ...it’s because when it comes to the Hulk opponents (a) totally forget all their various super powers, (b) are supposed to stand in one spot and trade punches, and (c) any exotic powers used have to be limited to medium-sized blasts.After all, we wouldn’t want the Hulk to be exposed for what it is.
A truly one-dimensional character!
I was actually thinking about how the Surfer treated Lunatik, not the Hulk. Genetically removing their powers would likely be his go to move every single time since he's as close to being a pacifist as they come. He could then turn them back on once they're in the mood to chat. Team 2 alll day long.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I understand - but when I brought it up against WBH (a guy Thor and Surfer actually know and have fought before), Stoic argued that they would rely on their fists and energy blasts:So am mystified as to why suddenly Surfer is rewriting DNA....
Manipulating his energy is what was argued. You remember right? I honestly didn't even think about him turning WB Hulk's powers off, which would actually work if he were allowed to get that close. However, as we all know, WB Hulk didn't need flight or speed because he had the power to turn the Herald tier to dust from over a world away.
Originally posted by Stoic
Manipulating his energy is what was argued. You remember right? I honestly didn't even think about him turning WB Hulk's powers off, which would actually work if he were allowed to get that close. However, as we all know, WB Hulk didn't need flight or speed because he had the power to turn the Herald tier to dust from over a world away.
But that was not your argument, you remember that right?
Your point was that they wouldn't immediately go to tactics they rarely use (your words).
Yet here, he's busting out DNA rewriting like it's the latest fashion.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But that was not your argument, you remember that right?Your point was that they wouldn't immediately go to tactics they rarely use (your words).
Yet here, he's busting out DNA rewriting like it's the latest fashion.
The Surfer has used this tactic several times though. He pulled a similar stunt with Savage Hulk, and in most run-ins that they have he leeches power from him adding it to his own, but this requires time that he wouldn't have with that version of the Hulk. Not to mention that WB Hulk was pretty intelligent, not quite as intelligent as he is in human form but smart enough to end the Surfer the moment the fight began.
So in retrospect, something as harmless as turning the Gotham duo's powers off would play right into Norrin's character, while it would be WB Hulk's choice to allow him enough time to pull the stunt off. These two are nowhere near as powerful as WB Hulk was.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm now confused what your point is.Would he or wouldn't he start a fight with WBH by attempting to drain?
He could try whatever he wanted, but draining WB Hulk wouldn't work as that version knew how to actively tap into and control the amount of power needed. This was something that no other version was able to do. Red Hulk tried and failed and he drained the Surfer, as did Arm'Cheddon, and he also drained the Surfer. So yes, the Surfer would've made the attempt but he would've failed. This is something that the Gotham duo would not have the luxury of leaning on. Are you still confused?
Originally posted by Stoic
He could try whatever he wanted, but draining WB Hulk wouldn't work as that version knew how to actively tap into and control the amount of power needed. This was something that no other version was able to do. Red Hulk tried and failed and he drained the Surfer, as did Arm'Cheddon, and he also drained the Surfer. So yes, the Surfer would've made the attempt but he would've failed. This is something that the Gotham duo would not have the luxury of leaning on. Are you still confused?
Cool.
So you've backtracked and agree that no, he wouldn't just be blasting and punching.
Thanks.