Originally posted by Adam GrimesExactly.
Also, it was the heroes that weren't in the explosion that mistook it for a nuke, and simply because of the size. Collateral damage =/= power.
The blast was likened to a nuke based on its size or w/e, but that doesn't mean the blast only contained nuke-level power... Especially when Guardian-amped Prime stated that the blast "really, REALLY hurt" immediately afterward(and a simple nuke isn't going to hurt base Prime... Let alone GA Prime.)
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998There no evidence suggested it was a chain reaction in the comic
What about the on panel evidence, which stated that Monarchs power was a chain reaction, which didn't stop with the destruction of a city, nor a continent, nor a planet.
https://i.imgur.com/yKw2TeZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/T7EOHWO.jpg
I don't think we have to argue that point. Monarch didn't blow up a universe just like that. His escaping energy set off chain reactions, which destroyed everything in their path until the entire universe was gone. It was an expanding process, which was also shown on panel. Just like the big bang didn't just happen and create the entire universe in an instant. The big bang started an expansion, which started off fast and then slowed down – and that energy is still expanding and creating space.
I don't like putting to much emphasis on shit characters say in general, because if I did that, then the Sentry would have the power of a million exploding suns, Hulk would have limitless power, Odin would be omnipotent and... Monarch would have the actual power of the actual big bang, which... would annihilate an entire galaxy, even if he had used 0.000001% of its power against Prime.
@Enzeru
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Also, it was the heroes that weren't in the explosion that mistook it for a nuke, and simply because of the size. Collateral damage =/= power.
Originally posted by Galan007
Exactly.The blast was likened to a nuke based on its size or w/e, but that doesn't mean the blast only contained nuke-level power... Especially when Guardian-amped Prime stated that the blast "really, REALLY hurt" immediately afterward(and a simple nuke isn't going to hurt base Prime... Let alone GA Prime.)
How does the universe being destroyed in a progressive 'chain reaction'(ie. first a city, then a continent, then a planet, then the universe) somehow diminish the potency of the energy released? It's not like the energy inextricably became more powerful as it spread outward.
The same scans also state:
"It is a wave of hatred and horror, sprung from a mindless act of rage... And it wipes away everything that gave me meaning."
IOW, the energy all came from Monarch, and that energy destroyed the universe.
The universe may not have been destroyed instantaneously, which makes sense as the energy came from a central point(ie. Monarch) and had to spread outward until it reached the Source Wall/boundary of the universe. However, it still occurred very quickly.
For a point of reference, not even the Godwave spread across the universe instantly... But I've never seen anyone argue that the Godwave is somehow weaker because of this. 😕
Originally posted by Galan007it doesnt. some people are just idiots who try to low ball whenever they can🙂
How does the universe being destroyed in a progressive 'chain reaction'(ie. first a city, then a continent, then a planet, then the universe) somehow diminish the potency of the energy released?
Well, actual chain reactions in subatomic particles work by releasing the atomic bonds in particles which liberates an insane amount of enerqy. If you were to pinpoint every atom and split a few nuclei around the universe it'd take a lot less energy than making a full explosion encompasing the whole universe.
So yes, atomic decay destroying a universe doesn't ask for as much energy as an universal explosion, but it still demands a sh_tload of energy and it's an universal feat through and through
Originally posted by BentleyYeah, I was about to point this. The chain reaction bit is making reference to the quantum energy, not planets somehow releasing enough energy to destroy galaxies lmao.
Well, actual chain reactions in subatomic particles work by releasing the atomic bonds in particles which liberates an insane amount of enerqy. If you were to pinpoint every atom and split a few nuclei around the universe it'd take a lot less energy than making a full explosion encompasing the whole universe.So yes, atomic decay destroying a universe doesn't ask for as much energy as an universal explosion, but it still demands a sh_tload of energy and it's an universal feat through and through
Also there's the fact that a 'chain reaction' in the sense Enzeru is trying to use wouldn't make sense.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998You know the big bang didnt just happen and instantly create the entire universe, So somehow the big bang energy not as powerful as the big bang energy due to it was chain reaction iyo?
No. My point was, that it's not as simple as the idea that "having the power of the big bang means that you can destroy the universe with a single explosion".
First of all, the big bang wasn't an explosion. But even with it not being an explosion, the energy the big bang had and has, is still astronomical to a point, where even a tiny fraction would destroy a galaxy. And that's not what we saw when Monarch released some of his power. To defend that point you have to make assumptions that Monarch perfectly controlled and narrowed that energy to a single, small environment... which other characters confused for a nuke.
I'm not saying that Monarch released power equal to a nuke. I'm saying that the power he released was not something someone like World Breaker Hulk couldn't tank equally well.
And I also believe that Monarchs universe busting explosion wasn't just one singular explosion, but more of something, which set off a chain reaction of destruction.
You have to compare it to a nuclear bomb, be it a hydrogen bomb or an atomic bomb. H-bombs are more powerful and works slightly differently than an atomic bomb, but in the end of the day they all end up splitting atoms and the atoms nearby. It ends up being an expanding chain reaction.
That's what happened in the comic. That's what we saw and that's what was explained.
Again, I'm not saying that the ground zero explosion was on the same level as an atomic bomb or a hydrogen bomb. Nah, it was more powerful. The question is, if the ground zero was powerful enough to kill World Breaker Hulk. And I believe that to be a coin toss.
Originally posted by BentleyIndeed, But from the context is should be referring to "a series of events in which each event is the result of the one preceding and the cause of the one following."
Well, actual chain reactions in subatomic particles work by releasing the atomic bonds in particles which liberates an insane amount of enerqy. If you were to pinpoint every atom and split a few nuclei around the universe it'd take a lot less energy than making a full explosion encompasing the whole universe.So yes, atomic decay destroying a universe doesn't ask for as much energy as an universal explosion, but it still demands a sh_tload of energy and it's an universal feat through and through
Originally posted by EnzeruAgain, Collateral damage =/= power. Superman prime( Who is the SBP got amped by the guardian of universe energy) Even stated that the blast was hurt, And in the SCW SBP tanked a explosion that capable wiping out entire galaxy with ease
No. My point was, that it's not as simple as the idea that "having the power of the big bang means that you can destroy the universe with a single explosion".First of all, the big bang wasn't an explosion. But even with it not being an explosion, the energy the big bang had and has, is still astronomical to a point, where even a tiny fraction would destroy a galaxy. And that's not what we saw when Monarch released some of his power. To defend that point you have to make assumptions that Monarch perfectly controlled and narrowed that energy to a single, small environment... which other characters confused for a nuke.
I'm not saying that Monarch released power equal to a nuke. I'm saying that the power he released was not something someone like World Breaker Hulk couldn't tank equally well.
And I also believe that Monarchs universe busting explosion wasn't just one singular explosion, but more of something, which set off a chain reaction of destruction.You have to compare it to a nuclear bomb, be it a hydrogen bomb or an atomic bomb. H-bombs are more powerful and works slightly differently than an atomic bomb, but in the end of the day they all end up splitting atoms and the atoms nearby. It ends up being an expanding chain reaction.
That's what happened in the comic. That's what we saw and that's what was explained.Again, I'm not saying that the ground zero explosion was on the same level as an atomic bomb or a hydrogen bomb. Nah, it was more powerful. The question is, if the ground zero was powerful enough to kill World Breaker Hulk. And I believe that to be a coin toss.
Originally posted by Galan007How does the universe being destroyed in a progressive 'chain reaction'(ie. first a city, then a continent, then a planet, then the universe) somehow diminish the potency of the energy released? It's not like the energy inextricably became more powerful as it spread outward.
It doesn't diminish its potency. And thank god it wasn't explained as something that goes stronger as it spreads outward... because then we would have some Dragonball level nonsense at our hands.
However, energy expanding from a single point until the end of the universe does not equal that single point setting off a chain reaction. Two entirely different things.
What is a chain reaction?
"a self-sustaining reaction in which the fission of nuclei of one generation of nuclei produces particles that cause the fission of at least an equal number of nuclei of the succeeding generation"
"a series of events in which each event is the result of the one preceding and the cause of the one following"
It's really two different things. Monarch didn't set off ONE explosion, which destroyed one universe. Monarch set off an explosion, which started a CHAIN REACTION of destruction. In the end of the day, both explosions destroy the universe, but one works differently than the other. Both bust a universe. The difference is that the former straight up destroys a universe. The latter starts a series of events, which end up destroying a universe after a certain amount of time.
Hulk can't survive an explosion, which destroys an universe. Can Hulk survive the event, which sets off a chain reaction, which leads to the end of an universe? Depending on the potency of that starting event he might be able to survive it... or he might die. Since Superman-Prime survived it, I believe that someone like World Breaker Hulk would be able to survive it as well.
Originally posted by Bentley
Well, actual chain reactions in subatomic particles work by releasing the atomic bonds in particles which liberates an insane amount of enerqy. If you were to pinpoint every atom and split a few nuclei around the universe it'd take a lot less energy than making a full explosion encompasing the whole universe.So yes, atomic decay destroying a universe doesn't ask for as much energy as an universal explosion, but it still demands a sh_tload of energy and it's an universal feat through and through
That's exactly my point.
Originally posted by EnzeruIt was still a universal feat through and through, And like you said it The Big Bang energy neither could instantly create a universe, But it was still the big bang, And the "chain reaction" never contradicting what Monarch stated( He has the power of the big bang)
It doesn't diminish its potency. And thank god it wasn't explained as something that goes stronger as it spreads outward... because then we would have some Dragonball level nonsense at our hands.However, energy expanding from a single point until the end of the universe does not equal that single point setting off a chain reaction. Two entirely different things.
What is a chain reaction?
"a self-sustaining reaction in which the fission of nuclei of one generation of nuclei produces particles that cause the fission of at least an equal number of nuclei of the succeeding generation"
"a series of events in which each event is the result of the one preceding and the cause of the one following"
It's really two different things. Monarch didn't set off ONE explosion, which destroyed one universe. Monarch set off an explosion, which started a CHAIN REACTION of destruction. In the end of the day, both explosions destroy the universe, but one works differently than the other. Both bust a universe. The difference is that the former straight up destroys a universe. The latter starts a series of events, which end up destroying a universe after a certain amount of time.
Hulk can't survive an explosion, which destroys an universe. Can Hulk survive the event, which sets off a chain reaction, which leads to the end of an universe? Depending on the potency of that starting event he might be able to survive it... or he might die. Since Superman-Prime survived it, I believe that someone like World Breaker Hulk would be able to survive it as well.
That's exactly my point.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998That's exactly what is going on there. Like was mentioned- in this case "chain reaction" simply refers to a progressive series of events. First a city, then continent, then planet, then universe itself. Monarch comparing his power to a big bang at the beginning of the issue further cements this.
Indeed, But from the context is should be referring to "a series of events in which each event is the result of the one preceding and the cause of the one following."
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/chain-reaction#
Like the comic stated
" .....That doesn't stop a city, Nor a continent, Nor a planet....And it wipes away everything that gave me meaning"
And it was corresponding to his power like The Big bang which create the universe same way( It didn't just create it instantly, It spreading out from its central point)
THAT is the context of the scene, and people trying to say different are just unwilling to accept that context in favor of trolling and low-balling. Par for the course here it seems.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998It was still a universal feat through and through, And like you said it The Big Bang energy neither could instantly create a universe, But it was still the big bang, And the "chain reaction" never contradicting what Monarch stated( He has the power of the big bang)
It is a universal feat. I never denied that. I just pointed out that it wasn't a universal explosion, but one, which set off a chain reaction which resulted in the destruction of a universe. A universe got destroyed.
But the way it was destroyed, leads me to believe, that World Breaker Hulk would be able to survive it after ripping Monarchs armor apart. And I'm not saying that Hulk can survive the explosion, which destroys an entire universe in an instant. I'm saying that he might very well be able to survive an explosion, which sets events in motion, which lead to the destruction of a universe.
I mean, how different is that to Hyperion surviving the destruction of his own universe and hovering in the deep nothing, until he was pulled into the 616 universe?
Some people here don't give Marvel characters the credit they sometimes deserve.
why in the f8ck are people talking about fission and nuclei particles and shit? this is a f8cking comic book, nerds. the context makes it clear whats going on with the explosion and NEWS FLASH- it doesnt have anything to do with f&cking atomic nuclei lol.
prime ripped open monarch, his "big bang" energy was released, his energy spread out and destroyed the universe. it's that goddamn simple. 😂
Originally posted by EnzeruOkay, I see what you mean. What I want to point out was that he stated his power is like the big bang itself isn't a hyperbole or something, Later scans also prove and cement what he stated, "Chain reaction" didn't contradict what he said, On the contrary, It actually correspending to what he stated
It is a universal feat. I never denied that. I just pointed out that it wasn't a universal explosion, but one, which set off a chain reaction which resulted in the destruction of a universe. A universe got destroyed.But the way it was destroyed, leads me to believe, that World Breaker Hulk would be able to survive it after ripping Monarchs armor apart. And I'm not saying that Hulk can survive the explosion, which destroys an entire universe in an instant. I'm saying that he might very well be able to survive an explosion, which sets events in motion, which lead to the destruction of a universe.
I mean, how different is that to Hyperion surviving the destruction of his own universe and hovering in the deep nothing, until he was pulled into the 616 universe?
Some people here don't give Marvel characters the credit they sometimes deserve.
Originally posted by Enzeru
It is a universal feat. I never denied that. I just pointed out that it wasn't a universal explosion, but one, which set off a chain reaction which resulted in the destruction of a universe. A universe got destroyed.But the way it was destroyed, leads me to believe, that World Breaker Hulk would be able to survive it after ripping Monarchs armor apart. And I'm not saying that Hulk can survive the explosion, which destroys an entire universe in an instant. I'm saying that he might very well be able to survive an explosion, which sets events in motion, which lead to the destruction of a universe.
I mean, how different is that to Hyperion surviving the destruction of his own universe and hovering in the deep nothing, until he was pulled into the 616 universe?
Some people here don't give Marvel characters the credit they sometimes deserve.
The energy didn't produce a chain reaction that destroyed the universe. It says that the energy itself is a chain reaction, read carefully and come back.
Hyperion survived a cascading wave of destruction, there was no random explosion which destroyed the universe.
