Originally posted by tkitna
Every lame character from Agents of Wakanda gave Sentry issues too (an amped up merged Sentry to boot) while the Avengers were nothing. What writer do you want to use I guess. One that implies he's more powerful than usual or one that wrote him as one of the weakest versions? Guess you can pick and choose.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
So who decides what's valid and what's not?
Good question. Guess it depends on if you like the character or not.
Fact merged Sentry looked better than Thor but you're omitting the fact that Thor had a lesser hammer, still had that unworthy chip on his shoulder and Bob didn't put him down only knocked him back.
Point taken. You're right. When facing the Avengers, it wasnt much of anything more than a few physical acts and some lip service, but he did appear to be pretty uber and wasnt getting any back talk.
Also by your logic Sentry's strength is greater than all Earth's heroes but that same Sentry failed to lift a Helicarrier. He can't be that far above these guys when things less than these guys have effected him like Wasp or the worm from Bettlejuice.
Was he really incapable of lifting the helicarrier or worried that it would crumble under the strain in which people would die? For the benefit of doubt, lets use the feat as an example the writer was using to show Sentry was incapable of lifting it. Do you ever question the feat when the same character casually shags a sunken freightliner boat with one hand, lifts 747's with no issues, and is capable of destroying planets with mere punches? There is room to question the feat.
As for the worm deal, although the writer emphasized the fact that they were some of the most durable creatures in the universe, it was a silly way to get the Sentry out of the way for a little bit. It was silly because even if Sentry didnt possess the required strength to free himself, he could have used molecular manipulation like he was mere moments before with the sand giants. It was just another scenario where a writer couldnt think of a decent way to rid the storyline of Sentry and we the readers were left with that. Happens way to often.
And yes characters fight to the best of their abilities but Bob's mental state is his kryptonite. It would be OOC for him to not bail or doubt himself when shit hits the fan
Yeah his mental state is his weakness, but wouldnt he be confident and sane in a forum battle as he has shown numerous times before? Superman doesnt go into forum battles with kryptonite being an issue. Why isnt the Sentry afforded the same luxury?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It doesn't, but Sin was making excuses for Thor, so I wanted to point out that him being worthy again hasn't changed anything."Pussy is pussy." - Hostel film (2005)
Thor has been a pussy last couple years nobody is denying that but sentry wasn't doing too hot either in his merged form
black panther and wasp were landing hits hurting him, noticing the "uhh and ahh", even okoye was able to land hit on sentry and put him in a chokehold
fat cobra beat the void out of sentry with a strike and ate it
this was as bad of a showing for sentry as for thor
https://imgur.com/a/6Ii88TQ
Originally posted by MrMind
Thor has been a pussy last couple years nobody is denying that but sentry wasn't doing too hot either in his merged formblack panther and wasp were landing hits hurting him, noticing the "uhh and ahh", even okoye was able to land hit on sentry and put him in a chokehold
fat cobra beat the void out of sentry with a strike and ate it
this was as bad of a showing for sentry as for thor
https://imgur.com/a/6Ii88TQ
That's why it makes Thor look worse than usual, worse than when Merged Sentry stomped Avengers.
Originally posted by MrMindSurfer hasn't been comparable to the cream of the crop [i.e. Hal] for nearly a decade now. The only thing they're comparable in is number of abilities [in which GLs will always have an advantage, given they can make complex constructs], but certainly not in raw power.
If there's a feats comparison thread between Surfer and elite lanterns, they would be comparableAnd Hal is above the elite lanterns
Originally posted by Philosophía
Surfer hasn't been comparable to the cream of the crop [i.e. Hal] for nearly a decade now. The only thing they're comparable in is number of abilities [in which GLs will always have an advantage, given they can make complex constructs], but certainly not in raw power.
There are few lanterns that can match Surfer's power
Kyle's best feats in post crisis seems comparable to SS, like containing the imperiex or supernova
SS is able to do stuff like rekindle the sun,
or more recently birth a mini sun when weakened
he made knull bleed, same Knull who can kill Celestial with necrosword and survive a big bang
Kyle and Surfer is in the same ballpark, Hal was in this ballpark too, but after n52 he has several outlier feats that can put him above, I say sinestro (without parallax) is around Surfer level too.
The rest are definitely below Surfer though, John, Guy, Jessica, Simon, Atrocitus etc
PS: I combine feats for Lanterns post crsisi+new52 since the lantern continuity hasn't changed much
Originally posted by MrMindHal considerably surpasses it, Kyle is at the very least on his level, and John/Guy are not far behind [of course, there's the likes of Mogo and whatnot]. But I was talking in general terms -- abilities-wise, they're comparable in what GLs can do [except they have constructs, which puts them above], but in terms of actual power Hal certainly is considerably above.
There are few lanterns that can match Surfer's power
Originally posted by MrMindKyle's imperiex and supernova feats are above what Surfer has done in his entire history -- but, on the large, I agree with the general assessment of where they stand -- except that Hal's feats are not 'outliers' [a shit term, btw, stop with the comicvine], but he's consistently been that way for more than a decade now -- and the stuff you're talking about with Knull -- he was in his realm [i.e. empty space/abyss] where the 'light' of creation [in which the Celestials resided and started forming planets] blinded him and made him fall, before he confronted the same Celestials, killed one with a sword made from darkness, then was banished in his realm. There, he created the necrosword -- with which he started hunting other beings, until he got beat by god(s) into unconsciousness [and his sword stolen by Gorr]. He then started the symbiotes but, again, got beat by Thor's lightning short-circuiting his connection to the symbiotes, and then got overwhelmed, beat and trapped by those same symbiotes. So while the Necrosword/Abyss sword is impressive, the guy himself is, well, not really, in absence of them. At least...for now. We'll see, he has far too few appearances.
Kyle's best feats in post crisis seems comparable to SS, like containing the imperiex or supernova
SS is able to do stuff like rekindle the sun,
or more recently birth a mini sun when weakened
he made knull bleed, same Knull who can kill Celestial with necrosword and survive a big bang
Kyle and Surfer is in the same ballpark, Hal was in this ballpark too, but after n52 he has several outlier feats that can put him above, I say sinestro (without parallax) is around Surfer level too.The rest are definitely below Surfer though, John, Guy, Jessica, Simon, Atrocitus etc
PS: I combine feats for Lanterns post crsisi+new52 since the lantern continuity hasn't changed much
I didn't want to include other lantern corps into the comparison, since it gets very ..rainbowy.
Originally posted by abhilegend
But then you have the audacity to call out others for cherry picking (while you're doing it yourself).That was just amusing.
I was calling out the people that constantly bring up low feats for characters they don't like. People that hate Sentry immediately bring up the helicarrier, Hammond, and worm feats even though he has so many other feats that make those look ridiculous. Screw the high feats right?. Your bias for Superman is the same. Any low feats are disregarded by you. Its all in how much one likes the character.
Originally posted by tkitna
I was calling out the people that constantly bring up low feats for characters they don't like. People that hate Sentry immediately bring up the helicarrier, Hammond, and worm feats even though he has so many other feats that make those look ridiculous. Screw the high feats right?. Your bias for Superman is the same. Any low feats are disregarded by you. Its all in how much one likes the character.
"Waah, Waah, the worm was writer backed into a corner, no, no, it was the most durable being in the universe, no, no, Sentry wasn't feeling very well".
Again, nobody cares.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Right, then why call out others? You're much worse than what they are doing, you're actually trying to make his low showings non existent (guess what, nobody cares)."Waah, Waah, the worm was writer backed into a corner, no, no, it was the most durable being in the universe, no, no, Sentry wasn't feeling very well".
Again, nobody cares.
If nobody cares, why do you keep bringing it up?
I've just never understood why people want to bring up out of character low feats to belittle a character when forum battles have said characters fighting at their best. Also, when dealing with the Sentry, why eliminate the Void showings when he's part of him? Got to give the other characters a chance I guess.
Originally posted by tkitna
If nobody cares, why do you keep bringing it up?I've just never understood why people want to bring up out of character low feats to belittle a character when forum battles have said characters fighting at their best. Also, when dealing with the Sentry, why eliminate the Void showings when he's part of him? Got to give the other characters a chance I guess.
No character works on their highest feats, why would Sentry be given special treatment because his fans whine about it?