Originally posted by abhilegend👆
Death Seed amplifies it's user to Phoenix Force level power.
Death Sentry is often made interchangeable with other forms, when it's obviously not.
Why is it that you Superdudebrofans ALWAYS ignore stuff in comics / straight up lie about things in order to make a case for your own argument? Insecure about Superdudebros placement in a free-for-all against characters like the Sentry? :-( Poor babies :-(
Is your argument really that the Death Seed had amped the Sentry vastly above anything he would have been able to accomplish on his own? Or are you just lying in hopes that people, who didn't read the full story, will trust your word? I wouldn't trust you to watch my dog, while I go to the store to buy condoms and visit your moms.
Why didn't the Death Seed turn Banshee into Phoenix 2.0? Death Seed Banshee was defeated by Wasp IIRC. What about Death Seed Grim Reaper? Wasn't he trashed into the ground by Rogue? What about Daken? Wasn't he ultimately defeated by Wolverine?
Why is it that these three characters had lost to characters, who were around their own levels before... while the Sentry was the only one, who was MASSIVELY more powerful than anyone else on the battlefield (like it's usually the case with him)?
Also, why does what Doom says hold more value than what Mystique said to Iceman? When she told him that the Death Seed had just unlocked his potential, while the power he was displaying, was his own?
In the Sentry you have this Galactus-stalemating, Molecule Man-destroying, Void-annihilating Supergod. All of this without a Death Seed. If Death Seed Sentry and Sentry at the peak of his powers fought, it would be a damn good and damn close fight. There wouldn't be a stomp, because one version is supposedly the Phoenix Force-amped version of the same character. No. Death Seed was more powerful for sure, since he wasn't as limited by his inner demons, but a regular stable Sentry would absolutely hold his own against Death Seed Sentry.
Just embrace the fiercesome power of the Golden Guardian of Good already.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Why is it that you Superdudebrofans ALWAYS ignore stuff in comics / straight up lie about things in order to make a case for your own argument? Insecure about Superdudebros placement in a free-for-all against characters like the Sentry? :-( Poor babies :-(
Is your argument really that the Death Seed had amped the Sentry vastly above anything he would have been able to accomplish on his own? Or are you just lying in hopes that people, who didn't read the full story, will trust your word? I wouldn't trust you to watch my dog, while I go to the store to buy condoms and visit your moms.Why didn't the Death Seed turn Banshee into Phoenix 2.0? Death Seed Banshee was defeated by Wasp IIRC. What about Death Seed Grim Reaper? Wasn't he trashed into the ground by Rogue? What about Daken? Wasn't he ultimately defeated by Wolverine?
Why is it that these three characters had lost to characters, who were around their own levels before... while the Sentry was the only one, who was MASSIVELY more powerful than anyone else on the battlefield (like it's usually the case with him)?
Also, why does what Doom says hold more value than what Mystique said to Iceman? When she told him that the Death Seed had just unlocked his potential, while the power he was displaying, was his own?In the Sentry you have this Galactus-stalemating, Molecule Man-destroying, Void-annihilating Supergod. All of this without a Death Seed. If Death Seed Sentry and Sentry at the peak of his powers fought, it would be a damn good and damn close fight. There wouldn't be a stomp, because one version is supposedly the Phoenix Force-amped version of the same character. No. Death Seed was more powerful for sure, since he wasn't as limited by his inner demons, but a regular stable Sentry would absolutely hold his own against Death Seed Sentry.
Just embrace the fiercesome power of the Golden Guardian of Good already.
"Comics be damned, I'm going to go with my opinions".
Again, Death seed manifested differently in different characters but it did amp characters.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Why is it that you Superdudebrofans ALWAYS ignore stuff in comics / straight up lie about things in order to make a case for your own argument? Insecure about Superdudebros placement in a free-for-all against characters like the Sentry? :-( Poor babies :-(
Is your argument really that the Death Seed had amped the Sentry vastly above anything he would have been able to accomplish on his own? Or are you just lying in hopes that people, who didn't read the full story, will trust your word? I wouldn't trust you to watch my dog, while I go to the store to buy condoms and visit your moms.Why didn't the Death Seed turn Banshee into Phoenix 2.0? Death Seed Banshee was defeated by Wasp IIRC. What about Death Seed Grim Reaper? Wasn't he trashed into the ground by Rogue? What about Daken? Wasn't he ultimately defeated by Wolverine?
Why is it that these three characters had lost to characters, who were around their own levels before... while the Sentry was the only one, who was MASSIVELY more powerful than anyone else on the battlefield (like it's usually the case with him)?
Also, why does what Doom says hold more value than what Mystique said to Iceman? When she told him that the Death Seed had just unlocked his potential, while the power he was displaying, was his own?In the Sentry you have this Galactus-stalemating, Molecule Man-destroying, Void-annihilating Supergod. All of this without a Death Seed. If Death Seed Sentry and Sentry at the peak of his powers fought, it would be a damn good and damn close fight. There wouldn't be a stomp, because one version is supposedly the Phoenix Force-amped version of the same character. No. Death Seed was more powerful for sure, since he wasn't as limited by his inner demons, but a regular stable Sentry would absolutely hold his own against Death Seed Sentry.
Just embrace the fiercesome power of the Golden Guardian of Good already.
Ok boomer.
Originally posted by abhilegend"Comics be damned, I'm going to go with my opinions".
Again, Death seed manifested differently in different characters but it did amp characters.
That's not good enough. You'll have to do more.
I stated, that it did amp him. Even if the Death Seed doesn't boost your actual power, but unlocks your potential to tap into more of your own power... it's still ones own power.
And again, plenty of characters had Apocalypse Seeds in them. Sentry was pretty much the only one, who had mind-boggling and overwhelming power. The Death Seed wouldn't have made a Thor or a Hyperion or a Blue Marvel equally, if not more powerful than over 100 Marvel heroes... including power houses like Hulk, Hyperion and Blue Marvel. But Death Seed Sentry was that powerful. Was that all due to the Death Seed, or is Sentrys base power just ridiculously high, when compared to characters we view as "high heralds"? Sentry isn't a high herald. He isn't in that tier. He never was. At his weakest, during World War Hulk, he was stalemating (and in my opinion at times overwhelming) World War Hulk, a character past the high herald tier as well (or at least in the strength and durability department).
Give credit, where credit is due.
What you're doing right now is taking all of the credit away and blaming it on other factors: "Oh well, it was the Death Seed. Oh well, it was the Void. Oh well, it was plot induced stupidity. Oh well, it was like I don't know, Sentry sucks."
Originally posted by Enzeru
That's not good enough. You'll have to do more.I stated, that it did amp him. Even if the Death Seed doesn't boost your actual power, but unlocks your potential to tap into more of your own power... it's still ones own power.
And again, plenty of characters had Apocalypse Seeds in them. Sentry was pretty much the only one, who had mind-boggling and overwhelming power. The Death Seed wouldn't have made a Thor or a Hyperion or a Blue Marvel equally, if not more powerful than over 100 Marvel heroes... including power houses like Hulk, Hyperion and Blue Marvel. But Death Seed Sentry was that powerful. Was that all due to the Death Seed, or is Sentrys base power just ridiculously high, when compared to characters we view as "high heralds"? Sentry isn't a high herald. He isn't in that tier. He never was. At his weakest, during World War Hulk, he was stalemating (and in my opinion at times overwhelming) World War Hulk, a character past the high herald tier as well (or at least in the strength and durability department).Give credit, where credit is due.
What you're doing right now is taking all of the credit away and blaming it on other factors: "Oh well, it was the Death Seed. Oh well, it was the Void. Oh well, it was plot induced stupidity. Oh well, it was like I don't know, Sentry sucks."
http://www.cbr.com/exclusive-remenders-uncanny-avengers-face-the-apocalypse/
So no, it's not just his own power.
Originally posted by abhilegend"“If you want to take down Thor, resurrecting the Sentry and planting a Death Seed in him to make him even more powerful is a pretty good way to do that."
http://www.cbr.com/exclusive-remend...the-apocalypse/
So no, it's not just his own power.
Not good enough. Try again.
As I said it multiple times already: I'm not denying that the Celestial Seeds amp their hosts. So that's not part of my argument at all. (I don't even care, if the Seeds give the host additional power, or if they just enable hosts to tap more into their own power. That ultimately plays no role in my argument.)
My argument is that while the Seed amped the Sentry, it didn't amp him to a point, where he was magnitudes more powerful than a regular Sentry. You try to make it look like as if the Death Seed made it possible for the Sentry to defeat God himself.
Which other host (besides hax abilities) was playing out of their own league as much as the Sentry was? From what I recall, none of them.
For Death Seed Sentry to be as powerful as he was, Sentry on his own needed to bring an insanely high base power level on his own. Which he did.
That's my argument.
In the end of the day, I honestly believe, that Death Seed Sentry VS Merged Sentry would be a very, very close and competitive fight. It's hard for me to call a winner on that one. (Which leads us to an amped Sentry VS Sentry with his own power again).
And that's coming from someone, who has read every single Sentry appearance, no matter how minor. Who has read all the bios, interviews, trivias – thought about the context, read up on intervening facts and so on. I feel like I have the required knowledge and understanding to make that call. If you want to challenge that call, you're free to do so, but for Pete's sake, put in some effort and explain yourself.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Not good enough. Try again.As I said it multiple times already: I'm not denying that the Celestial Seeds amp their hosts. So that's not part of my argument at all. (I don't even care, if the Seeds give the host additional power, or if they just enable hosts to tap more into their own power. That ultimately plays no role in my argument.)
My argument is that while the Seed amped the Sentry, it didn't amp him to a point, where he was magnitudes more powerful than a regular Sentry. You try to make it look like as if the Death Seed made it possible for the Sentry to defeat God himself.
Which other host (besides hax abilities) was playing out of their own league as much as the Sentry was? From what I recall, none of them.
For Death Seed Sentry to be as powerful as he was, Sentry on his own needed to bring an insanely high base power level on his own. Which he did.That's my argument.
In the end of the day, I honestly believe, that Death Seed Sentry VS Merged Sentry would be a very, very close and competitive fight. It's hard for me to call a winner on that one. (Which leads us to an amped Sentry VS Sentry with his own power again).
And that's coming from someone, who has read every single Sentry appearance, no matter how minor. Who has read all the bios, interviews, trivias – thought about the context, read up on intervening facts and so on. I feel like I have the required knowledge and understanding to make that call. If you want to challenge that call, you're free to do so, but for Pete's sake, put in some effort and explain yourself.
But it doesn't amps everyone the same way. Like Weapon X with death seed punked Phoenix Force Jean Grey.
So unless you have the idea about how much Sentry was amped, shut up.
Oh and Sentry wasn't weakened in WWH. That's just fanfiction, cobbled together with random tidbits from different comics.
But no, Death Seed doesn't amps anyone, it just allowed Jean Grey to stalemate Monsters who killed Tiamut.
They killed Tiamut here.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Age-of-Apocalypse-2012/Issue-14?id=12247
And Jean stalemated two of them here.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Astonishing-X-Men-2004/Issue-61?id=10346
Mind you, this was a human Jean Grey.
