I guess the MCU might stand a chance considering they have beings like Dormammu, Ego, Thanos w/ IG, Surtur, Hela and the Ancient One. Even then it's tough to beat the sheer number of exotic powers the Arrowverse brings to the table.
Maybe the Once Upon a Time and Supernatural shows can take a shot... but I haven't finished those shows yet so can't say with certainty.
I'm not as up to date with the Arrowverse as I should be, so I'll just watch this thread from the sidelines.
Originally posted by KingD19
He clearly doesn't as he did nothing in Crisis but give Constantine & Co. a way to go to Purgatory. He enjoys living enough that if he had the power to stop AM, he'd have done so. Even his dad who is straight up God, and his mom who is an equally powerful Goddess didn't stop it.
Okay, first thing, you must realize the factor of plot device. This is something that happens very often in both Marvel and DC.
Many times the true intentions of super cosmic beings like Lucifer, The Presence, TOAA, etc. are unknown. That's the excuse writers and directors always use to exclude this individuals from taking part in mayor events.
In this particular case, Lucifer not participating in the Crisis doesn't mean he isn't powerful enough to stop it. On the contrary, his apathetic behaviour when realizing what's going on proves how meaningful the Anti Monitor's intentions are to him.
If Lucifer was feeling threatened in any way, I'm sure he would have taken part, as he has taken part in multiple occasions within his own universe.
Lucifer isn't an apathetic being towards threats, and he does possess mechanisms to defeat high tier beings like the AM.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I guess the MCU might stand a chance considering they have beings like Dormammu, Ego, Thanos w/ IG, Surtur, Hela and the Ancient One. Even then it's tough to beat the sheer number of exotic powers the Arrowverse brings to the table.Maybe the Once Upon a Time and Supernatural shows can take a shot... but I haven't finished those shows yet so can't say with certainty.
I'm not as up to date with the Arrowverse as I should be, so I'll just watch this thread from the sidelines.
The thing is that the Crisis event canonically connected nearly every live-action DC franchise that has ever existed as being part of one vast multiverse. And I do mean nearly all of them. At one point, CW Grant Gustin Flash was having a conversation with DCEU Ezra Miller Flash (who also references DCEU Cyborg), just to give one example. But you also had Smallville, Titans, Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing, Batman 66, Birds of Prey and a bunch of others tied in. Even characters like Lucifer were featured. The sheer scale of it is enormous at this point, hence me posting this challenge. Because, as it stands, I can't personally point to any other live-action franchise that stands a chance. The MIB and Star Trek answers are probably the best suggestions so far. The MCU might do so down the line once they get further into the multiverse and the What If stuff though.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I guess the MCU might stand a chance considering they have beings like Dormammu, Ego, Thanos w/ IG, Surtur, Hela and the Ancient One. Even then it's tough to beat the sheer number of exotic powers the Arrowverse brings to the table.Maybe the Once Upon a Time and Supernatural shows can take a shot... but I haven't finished those shows yet so can't say with certainty.
I'm not as up to date with the Arrowverse as I should be, so I'll just watch this thread from the sidelines.
The MCU isn't ready yet to face multiversal threats like The Anti Monitor. At least not manus in manu.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay, first thing, you must realize the factor of plot device. This is something that happens very often in both Marvel and DC.Many times the true intentions of super cosmic beings like Lucifer, The Presence, TOAA, etc. are unknown. That's the excuse writers and directors always use to exclude this individuals from taking part in mayor events.
In this particular case, Lucifer not participating in the Crisis doesn't mean he isn't powerful enough to stop it. On the contrary, his apathetic behaviour when realizing what's going on proves how meaningful the Anti Monitor's intentions are to him.
If Lucifer was feeling threatened in any way, I'm sure he would have taken part, as he has taken part in multiple occasions within his own universe.
Lucifer isn't an apathetic being towards threats, and he does possess mechanisms to defeat high tier beings like the AM.
Show me some feats from FOX/DC Lucifer that put him on a high enough power level to stop Anti-Monitor.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I'm not really a big Doctor Who guy. Just seen odd episodes here and there while visiting friends who watch it. Got any examples of what that 'verse is packing?
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Originally posted by KingD19
Show me some feats from FOX/DC Lucifer that put him on a high enough power level to stop Anti-Monitor.
Well, he stands beyond Multiversal Scale beings for instance, as he was created before it and therefore before the AM.
Also, he could anytime find the Flaming Sword which can kill any being even presumably Omnipotent ones.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Well, he stands beyond Multiversal Scale beings for instance, as he was created before it and therefore before the AM.Also, he could anytime find the Flaming Sword which can kill any being even presumably Omnipotent ones.
Prove that. Saying it doesnt make it true. He's never done anything even close to that scale of power in the show so prove it or stop claiming it.
And he threw Uriel's sword into a void after he opened a portal for his mom. He cant just go back and get it.
Originally posted by KingD19
Prove that. Saying it doesnt make it true. He's never done anything even close to that scale of power in the show so prove it or stop claiming it.And he threw Uriel's sword into a void after he opened a portal for his mom. He cant just go back and get it.
Well, there are no other versions of Lucifer are there? That's why Constantine had to go to that specific Earth to find him. Not like Superman, where we have different versions of the same being.
A being who falls within Universal Rules would have replicas of himself in other Universes of the same Multiverse.
That's why the Anti Monitor falls under a Multiversal level, because he trascends the Universe.
Now, Lucifer transcends the Multiverse because he wasn't born with it. Through the various episodes of Lucifer, he made it clear that he was a child when his father (God/Presence) made "creation" (multiverse).
So that mere notion puts Lucifer above the Monitors, which is expected as that's how it is in the comics. And which makes sence, as Lucifer didn't care a shit about the Monitors.
Regarding the Flaming Sword, come on, Lucifer isn't stupid, I have no doubt he could get it if he so wished for it.
I saw now Legion got mentioned as well. I don't see it, purely because of scope. The Legion-verse has some extremely powerful characters, but they are very limited in number. You basically have Legion, the Shadow King, to a lesser degree Xavier, and the two 4-D Time avatars and their guard dogs, the Time Eaters. But that's about it. Though, in theory, a similar situation to the Arrowverse could be created via time-travel, as we've seen two versions of the Shadow King onscreen together (one about three decades older than the other) due to time-travel shenanigans. But yeah, I wouldn't bet on that. And there are tons of time-travelers in the Arrowverse as well.