Originally posted by Putinbot1
Interesting fact about this "blow out" is more people voted for anti Brexit Parties than pro... First past the post is such a silly system.
I don't know about that.
I found this from the Telegraph and I assume it makes you wrong:
The Conservatives collected 43.6 percent of the popular vote, to 32.2 percent for Labour. That 11.3 percentage point margin was also the largest for the Tories since 1987 — a dramatic shift from 2017, when Labour lost the popular vote by just 2.4 percent.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/13/world/europe/uk-election-brexit.html
That seems heavily pro-Brexit, to me.
But what about the "lawyer" way of claiming all other parties are pro-Brexit and, so, add up to a larger percent of the popular vote (but lost)?
That doesn't work, either:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48027580
The plurality of votes went to pro-Brexiteers. A smaller vote went to the minority Remainers.
Pro referendum parties got 52% of the vote mate. It's why first past the post is as shot as your electoral college system.
52% will always be more than half.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-result-boris-johnson-pro-brexit-referendum-voters-conservatives-a9245866.html?amp#aoh=15776014846169&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24sPro referendum parties got 52% of the vote mate. It's why first past the post is as shot as your electoral college system.
52% will always be more than half.
I don't see how those numbers add up to your claim. By the numbers, and by election results, it's impossible.
Let me be clear that your claim is not the same claim in the article you posted.
From the pollster (a very good one, by the way: he makes predictions that are often criticized but shockingly correct):
But Professor Sir John Curtice, who led the team conducting the exit poll, explained that the Brexit picture was more complex.
Remember, your claim is this:
Interesting fact about this "blow out" is more people voted for anti Brexit Parties than pro
The actual election results do not reflect this claim.
The exit poll you reference is not a "pro-Brexit, anti-Brexit" binary. They asked a different question. Do you have he poll results in its raw form? We could see the actual questions asked. I don't trust a news article summary - I prefer to see the actual questions asked. Who knows? Perhaps the questions actually do reflect your point and the Independent misrepresented the poll?
Also, election results show that your point is directly wrong simply because the numbers do not add up (I cited my sources). The actual numbers from the polls do not add up to the claim you're making. The votes cast and tallied do not equal your point. That's because the poll you're referencing is not the point you're making. Which reconciles the facts and confusion.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
52% voted for second referendum parties. Fact!
Didn’t a good number of labour voters vote to Brexit?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48039984
The widely respected British Election Study (BES) conducted a face-to-face survey of 2,194 people across the country.
Its central estimate for the 2017 election was that 30% of Labour voters had voted Leave in the referendum. Labour received 12,877,918 votes in that election - 30% of that would be 3.9 million.
Not familiar with the how voting works in the UK (you would be the expert there, not me), but wouldn’t that mean that one’s party affiliation is not directly indicative of how one would vote in regards to Brexit? And thus the attempt to classify voters as anti-or-pro Brexit position via popular party vote is meaningless?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Didn’t a good number of labour voters vote to Brexit?https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48039984
The widely respected British Election Study (BES) conducted a face-to-face survey of 2,194 people across the country.
Its central estimate for the 2017 election was that 30% of Labour voters had voted Leave in the referendum. Labour received 12,877,918 votes in that election - 30% of that would be 3.9 million.Not familiar with the how voting works in the UK (you would be the expert there, not me), but wouldn’t that mean that one’s party affiliation is not directly indicative of how one would vote in regards to Brexit? And thus the attempt to classify voters as anti-or-pro Brexit position via popular party vote is meaningless?
You're point is correct.
However, it wouldn't necessarily be meaningless. Based on the landslide victory and the historic losses seen, it would indicate that the figures are even worse than they seem, if we included your point. Meaning, there is probably more pro-Brexiteers out there than ever before.
All across Western countries, there is a backlash against political correctness where PC culture has been pushed on the people. France, UK, the US, Poland, Germany, and even Norway.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Well if a report into it cleared the government of any conflict of interest you would think they would be happy to publish it.Here's a few bits from Conservative Party supporting outlets like The Times, The Financial Times and the Daily mail
They'll be no shortage of useful idiots defending Russia.
You've been blanket defending Russia since Trump told you in 2017, you decide if that'd good or bad or whatever.
Odd, I don't recall ever blaming Russia for Brexit. Surely you have a post?
Though I do know that a fractured and weaker EU is beneficial to Putin/Russia. So the idea that they helped push for an exit with large donations and misinformation campaigns isn't tinfoil hat level, which is what I've seen some people mention.