MUI Goku vs Thor and Superman

Originally posted by h1a8
Carver give me a few of Goku's top power output destructive feats (striking or strength feats) then give me his best durability feat and best speed and reaction feats.

His best durability ft is being depleted near completely of his power. I'm talking about to the point of him struggling to stand up and a black hole was thrown on top of him and he tanked it, while at his weakest. That's no his best but let's start there.

His top energy output would be hurting Jiren. Let's put it like this, during the beginning of Dragonball Super, Goku energy attacks were destroying suns and planets. His energy attacks was capable of collapsing the entire Universe and the dimensions around it, including heaven and hell.

His best strength ft was his punches creating shockwaves that was about to destroy the entire Universe. Well, I wouldnt even call that his most powerful striking ft because those same punches, Jiren blocked it with his finger. Whatever punch he hit Jiren with making him flinch would be his strongest punch.

All I am going to say is, his combat speed piss on anyone in both DC and Marvel, combined.

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Originally posted by MrMind
who wins

This should be changed to MUI Goku vs. RKT and Superman Prime One Million, lol.

Originally posted by cdtm
Norrin Radd wouldn't even call that a light jog, and Thor's never had trouble blocking him.

the problem with comic characters is, they barely uses their ftl travel speed in fights, in theory Noreen should not be tagged or hit by Thor, or meta level like Wonder Man, or even streets like Black Panther or Spidey. Yet he does, consistently

At one point you have Thor shattering planets going ftl fighting trans-skyfather level being like Gorr, yet half of the time you see him getting tagged or hit by The Thing, Space Knight, Daredevil etc.

good thing about DBZ, when Goku is at super saiyan level or above, you don't see him having trouble again with people like Tao Pai Pai or Chiaotzu anymore. The portrayal of power, especially in the category of speed, has more consistency

in before laser and 40 pounds

Part of that is because comic characters have been around a lot longer than anime characters, especially mainstream ones like Surfer Flash etc. Not talking about guys like Runner or Zoom etc.

So to have them in a weekly comic, sometimes even in multiple comics every week, and still have them relevant (or more accurately, their teammates/opponents relevant), inconsistency needs to occur. What's the point of the Defenders, if Surfer can just clone 100s of himself and spam all his powers simultaneously?

This is barring CIS, of course.

Originally posted by MrMind
The portrayal of power, especially in the category of speed, has more consistency

Yes.

They operate at high combat speed all the time.

Surfer and Thor have their sentient tools to do the job for them when they're travelling... and they sure as f*ck can't handle themselves in actual combat, since they both have had trouble with Daredevil.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes.

They operate at high combat speed all the time.

Surfer and Thor have their sentient tools to do the job for them when they're travelling... and they sure as f*ck can't handle themselves in actual combat, since they both have had trouble with Daredevil.

the thing with DB is, their power level progress in a consistent fashion

We see during early era, Master Roshi or Piccolo was capable of destroying the moon, then pre Super Saiyan Vegeta can destroy earth, then Frieza first form can destroy planet vegeta (bigger/denser than earth), Then Cell claiming he can destroy the entire solar system, then in battle of gods, we know Beerus and Red Goku can destroy universe. The power level increase when story progress. If we take heralds level like Surfer or Thor, we ignore 85 percent of their feats and only focus on their best. Their best is somewhere between SSJ2 Gohan and Perfect Cell. But in reality, if we take their entire history into consideration and not just high end. Heralds level character are actually a little bit lower than that.

That's why Goku won't fight people on Tao Pai Pai level during Saiyan Saga, During Cell saga he won't fight people on Napa level. During DBS people on Cell level would be a joke. Like any anime, the further the story goes the stronger they get.

comics don't work this way, on one arc we see Thor getting his anoose split open by Wolverine or Venom. on another arc we see Thor fighting Surtur or Celestial. That's why we have such a difficult time gaugin averages for comic characters, that's why highballing and lowballing exist so often. There's not a standard metrics to go by.

Why is Thor even in this thread? Aryan Goku ****ing autododges at speeds that Thor can't even begin to understand in the first place. Pretty sure Goku could be asleep and still dodge Thor.

Crazy Dan thinking Thor can absorb his attack and then ****ing hit him with it is utterly retarded. Talking dog anus Facebook spam levels of retarded.

Superman also loses badly but at least you have an avenue for him to have a shot. Thor would have to throw suns at Goku at high speeds and hope Goku doesn't automatically IT away. Homo

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Why is Thor even in this thread? Aryan Goku ****ing autododges at speeds that Thor can't even begin to understand in the first place. Pretty sure Goku could be asleep and still dodge Thor.

Crazy Dan thinking Thor can absorb his attack and then ****ing hit him with it is utterly retarded. Talking dog anus Facebook spam levels of retarded.

Superman also loses badly but at least you have an avenue for him to have a shot. Thor would have to throw suns at Goku at high speeds and hope Goku doesn't automatically IT away. Homo

🙂 🙂 ... in in tears right now. The legend is here.

I'm of the belief that Superman alone while not holding back would be too much for Goku to handle. Stronger, faster, more durable, more powerful, vastly smarter.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm of the belief that Superman alone while not holding back would be too much for Goku to handle. Stronger, faster, more durable, more powerful, vastly smarter.

Finally, the voice of reason.

No one can ever call Stoic biased towards Superman in any way, so this must be the correct answer.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm of the belief that Superman alone while not holding back would be too much for Goku to handle. Stronger, faster, more durable, more powerful, vastly smarter.

You made a thread of Broly vs Almight... lol, you can NOT be taken serious on anything DB related.

Correct on that, Stoic has almost no understanding of Dragon Ball

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Correct on that, Stoic has almost no understanding of Dragon Ball

I'm always correct. 😠

That's unfair, as powerful as Almight is, Broly probably stands at least a little chance. Maybe 1 out of 10?

Originally posted by carver9
His best durability ft is being depleted near completely of his power. I'm talking about to the point of him struggling to stand up and a black hole was thrown on top of him and he tanked it, while at his weakest. That's no his best but let's start there.

His top energy output would be hurting Jiren. Let's put it like this, during the beginning of Dragonball Super, Goku energy attacks were destroying suns and planets. His energy attacks was capable of collapsing the entire Universe and the dimensions around it, including heaven and hell.

His best strength ft was his punches creating shockwaves that was about to destroy the entire Universe. Well, I wouldnt even call that his most powerful striking ft because those same punches, Jiren blocked it with his finger. Whatever punch he hit Jiren with making him flinch would be his strongest punch.

All I am going to say is, his combat speed piss on anyone in both DC and Marvel, combined.

No speculation or hyperbole. What damage was he shown to cause?
Superman has held black holes in his hand and went through them without any damage.

So Goku has a speed and reaction feat better than a fraction of a nanosecond being equal to several minutes? If so then list it.

Originally posted by h1a8
No speculation or hyperbole. What damage was he shown to cause?
Superman has held black holes in his hand and went through them without any damage.

So Goku has a speed and reaction feat better than a fraction of a nanosecond being equal to several minutes? If so then list it.

He can't, because those measurements don't exist. Carver thinks a few after images mean faster then light speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
No speculation or hyperbole. What damage was he shown to cause?
Superman has held black holes in his hand and went through them without any damage.

So Goku has a speed and reaction feat better than a fraction of a nanosecond being equal to several minutes? If so then list it.

I dont think you understood what I said. I'm going to say it again for you. Goku was so weakened that he could not stand. He was near depleted of power. He had to be HELPED off the ground because his body was LIMP due to him being weakened. I dont know how many ways I can explain that. Then a black hole was DROPPED ON HIM IN THIS DEPLETED STATE and he tanked it. Superman flying through black holes AT FULL POWER and holding a black hole AT FULL POWER does not compare to this. It's like throwing kryptonite beside Superman and throwing him inside of a black hole while the kryptonite is attached to him AND HE TANKS IT. Please tell me you understand the difference. Once you do, we can move on.

I couldn’t help but notice that BFR is on....

Thor teleports Goku into the sun, GG.

Or Superman flies to the sun, chills for just under the time necessary to be considered self BFR, and then comes back with a huge boost.

Superman then repeats this as necessary until Goku runs out of steam, seeing as how MUI lasted what, less than a minute before it had Goku screaming in Agony ?

Or even more Simple, Thor flies into space, turns around, and with a cosmic storm the size of a galaxy behind him, impacts Goku at millions of times the speed of light.

I thought when you're bfred, you lose? Superman flying to the sun is an auto loss. Also, I thought any amps will be mentioned in the OP? Isnt that how it works. Superman self bfr himself if he flies to the sun. Thor gets blitzed to death as soon as the bell ring. Goku is famous for using his speed. This is a non fight.