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Re: Count Dooku vs Mace Windu
Originally posted by juggernaut74
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Originally posted by juggernaut74
I didn't realize Mace was so far above Dooku. Other than Sidious faking his loss to Mace what other victories does Windu have?I know he was holding his own against Mother Talzin.
Mace overpowered Sidious in Sabers. Nothing fake about that.
Even IF it was planned by Sidious, Lucas outright confirmed Mace can compete against him.
So he seems to just be younger and stronger than Dooku.
That said Dooku is way cooler 👆
Originally posted by Darth ThorThese are two of my favorites characters in Star Wars.
Mace overpowered Sidious in Sabers. Nothing fake about that.Even IF it was planned by Sidious, Lucas outright confirmed Mace can compete against him.
So he seems to just be younger and stronger than Dooku.
That said Dooku is way cooler 👆
Though I just thought of something, Mace was holding his own against Talzin in a saber duel and in the Son of Dathomir Talzin took control of Dooku's body and attacked Sidious he then states that while she has control of Dooku's body she don't have his skill.
That seems to me he wasn't impressed with her skill and she was able to hold her own against Windu.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
I didn't realize Mace was so far above Dooku. Other than Sidious faking his loss to Mace what other victories does Windu have?I know he was holding his own against Mother Talzin.
Check out the polls.
It's always extremely close or 50:50.
Windu has that RotS showing against Sidious and it's often argued how his fighting style would overpower Dooku's defense, like Anakin did.
Originally posted by Zamp
Funnily enough, I googled this yesterday (and found a bunch of old KMC threads).There's some exposition in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous that asserts that of all the jedi (aside from Yoda) only Mace even has a chance against Dooku on even ground. And it's certainly not a guaranteed victory.
Theres that and a quote from the same novel saying Dooku was the strongest of the Jedi Temple students. The latter quote has been repeated in a Canon source book as well.
That all said, Mace is younger and physically stronger. Plus his Saber style is more lethal especially against dark siders.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
I didn't realize Mace was so far above Dooku. Other than Sidious faking his loss to Mace what other victories does Windu have?I know he was holding his own against Mother Talzin.
Sidious faking his loss to Mace has been debunked.
And the Revenge Of The Sith novelization, which is Canon to the film reaffirms Mace's usage of Vapaad, which is what caused Mace to overwhelm and defeat Sidious.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Mace overpowered Sidious in Sabers. Nothing fake about that.Even IF it was planned by Sidious, Lucas outright confirmed Mace can compete against him.
So he seems to just be younger and stronger than Dooku.
That said Dooku is way cooler 👆
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Mace defeated Sidious with Vapaad, and especially against a Dark Sider, Mace would be faster and stronger than Dooku.
Mace can also see and strike Shatterpoints, which is also partially how he defeated Sidious.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'm against the popular opinion that Windu should take it. Samuel L. Jackson had to throw a tantrum on set and demanded Lucas to write him a badass fighting scene.Not to mention that Tyranus also has a great feat under his belt - stalemating Yoda.
Dooku stalemated a rusty-Yoda, which is less impressive.
Also, it was actually established all the way back in 2003 in the novel Shatterpoint- way before Revenge Of The Sith, that Windu had created the Lightsaber Form of Vapaad - and Labyrinth Of Evil revealed that Mace had created Vapaad specifically for the purpose of defeating Sidious.
So one way or another, Mace was going to defeat Sidious and it was completely justified. 🙂