Darth Vader vs Mace Windu

Prime Vader vs Mace Windu

Who wins?

Mace beat Sidious.

Sidious>Vader.

Originally posted by juggernaut74

Sidious>Vader.

Is he though:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t665644.html

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Originally posted by juggernaut74
Mace beat Sidious.

Sidious>Vader.

we don't know the circumstances between his duel with Sidious

but in terms of Force abilities Vader is laughably more powerful

Originally posted by Rebel95
That was circumstantial. You can’t use A>B>C logic here

Fvck off with that shit. It wasn't circumstantial.

And yes, A>B>C Logic does work in most of these fights.

And yes, Mace does wreck Vader's shit, here.

Vader would avoid Mace if he were still around, and use stormtroopers to distract him.

Originally posted by carthage
we don't know the circumstances between his duel with Sidious

but in terms of Force abilities Vader is laughably more powerful

Yeah we do - we have a whole movie and a novel that goes into extensive depth about it.

And Mace's TK is close to Dooku and Yoda - and Vader's.

And Mace has abilities that Vader doesn't have, like Vapaad and Shatterpoint.

Vader would avoid fighting Mace directly if he were still around.

Mace cuts Vader down, or Force Crushes his chest, like he did to Grievous.

Unlike Grievous, Vader should be able to protect himself from Force Crush.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Unlike Grievous, Vader should be able to protect himself from Force Crush.

And vice-versa.

With Vapaad, their destructive abilities should be evenly-matched.

All that remains is a lightsaber duel - in which Mace would emerge victorious.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Is he though:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t665644.html

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Plus Vader is confirmed to be a better duelist. Windu stands no chance. 🙁

What do we have on Vader's pure lightsaber skills in his prime? If sidious cannot overpower Mace with the force, vader won't be able to either, and Mace is very very good.

Originally posted by truejedi
What do we have on Vader's pure lightsaber skills in his prime? If sidious cannot overpower Mace with the force, vader won't be able to either, and Mace is very very good.

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The Return Of The Jedi novelization confirms that Darth Vader was at his peak when he fought Luke on the second Death Star:

Mace Windu was at his peak when he defeated Darth Sidious:

Mace Windu wins.

I think this fight is much closer than people might think.

In canon, Vader is confirmed a greater duelist than Sidious. In rots, Sidious is a 9 and Mace is an "8, bordering on 9" on the Nic Gillard/Goerge Lucas scale.

In terms of force powers, Vader became more powerful after rots (see lots novel, crazy feats in comics, etc). Before Disney, Lucas said Anakin was as powerful as the emperor, and then after Mustafar he was 80% of the emperor. Now that the new canon has established Vader is more powerful after the suit, he's more powerful than Sidious was in rots (the same guy who beat Yoda)...

I'm certainly willing to have my mind changed and I'm not so certain Vader would beat Mace. All I'm saying is you can make a decent argument for Vader.

Originally posted by Lighter332
Fvck off with that shit. It wasn't circumstantial.

And yes, A>B>C Logic does work in most of these fights.

And yes, Mace does wreck Vader's shit, here.

Vader would avoid Mace if he were still around, and use stormtroopers to distract him.

Vader has far better force feats than Mace, and in canon he’s stated to be superior to Sidious in saber combat.

Originally posted by Lighter332
The Return Of The Jedi novelization confirms that Darth Vader was at his peak when he fought Luke on the second Death Star:

Mace Windu was at his peak when he defeated Darth Sidious:

Mace Windu wins.

You said it yourself that Vader held back... 😖hifty:

Vader wins, hes a beast with the Force and with his added physical strength his lightsaber style can penetrate Windus, not saying it'll be easy but Vade can get it done

also Mace didn't beat Sidious in any way shape from or fashion so get over it; I've never seen a character benefit from white guilt as much as Mace Windu did in that fight 😂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You said it yourself that Vader held back... 😖hifty:

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You got him there

Originally posted by Rebel95
Yes it was. Mace was heavily amped in that fight due to the specific scenario he was in. There is no reason to believe that he could replicate that.

Vader has far better force feats than Mace, and in canon he’s stated to be superior to Sidious in saber combat.

Are you fvcking dumb? Mace could replicate that feat against any Dark Sider at Sidious's level of power - that's the whole point of Vapaad.

And Mace's Force Feats are roughly equal to that of Dooku, Vader and Yoda.

And Sidious is a million times faster than Vader, who fights at 1MPH.

Mace took down Sidious and he'd take down Vader just as easily.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You said it yourself that Vader held back... 😖hifty:

Either way, Mace still destroys Vader. 😏