Originally posted by Darth Thor
Distance wasnt the issue given Yoda deflected it from the same distance, but with his hands.
Exactly, using the Force.
Not the same as simply using the tool and counting for the best.
Both Mace and Rey were close to Palps when their sabers managed to deflect some of the lightning back at him.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Exactly, using the Force.Not the same as simply using the tool and counting for the best.
Both Mace and Rey were close to Palps when their sabers managed to deflect some of the lightning back at him.
Theres just nothing to suggest that Obi-Wan could deflect Palpatines though when he couldnt even deflect Dookus. Remember even Dooku deflected his own Lightning from that same distance (without a Saber even).
And theres nothing to suggest Dooku is Maces superior in the Force given how Palpatine was able to choke Dooku out from another system.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Theres just nothing to suggest that Obi-Wan could deflect Palpatines though when he couldnt even deflect Dookus. Remember even Dooku deflected his own Lightning from that same distance (without a Saber even).And theres nothing to suggest Dooku is Maces superior in the Force given how Palpatine was able to choke Dooku out from another system.
But at close range, prolonged exposure to lightning? His saber would do the trick.
Because that's all that Rey and Mace were doing... relying on their sabers, not their Force mastery in order to deflect it.
Well, Rey had that "I am all Jedi" bs going on, that's probably what made her able to endure it better than Mace did and even advance forwad. But we should leave her out of it, on second thought.
Originally posted by The MerchantTbf, Momin wasn't particularly powerful in terms of raw force strength... Momin himself admits that, even at his peak, his power was "nothing" compared to Vader's.
Bane should be in Vaders tier. His fact file article states he surpassed all Sith before him which would include Mommin.
What set Momin apart from any known Sith in canon(with the possible exception of Palpatine) was his deep, deep affinity with the dark side, and his vast understanding of its more esoteric nature.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But at close range, prolonged exposure to lightning? His saber would do the trick.Because that's all that Rey and Mace were doing... relying on their sabers, not their Force mastery in order to deflect it.
Well, Rey had that "I am all Jedi" bs going on, that's probably what made her able to endure it better than Mace did and even advance forwad. But we should leave her out of it, on second thought.
Yeah forget Rey. She can shoot force lightning without any training in doing so. Yeah Just forget her.
It definitely force mastery to deflect it. The Saber doesnt just block it or deflect it on its own. Savage Opress couldnt even block it with a Saber. Because he had very little formal training. He was mostly powerful because of the nightsister magic amp he received.
And we know distance isnt the factor either from the Dooku/Yoda fight. They both deflected Force lightning coming from a distance. And they both did it with their hands as well.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah forget Rey. She can shoot force lightning without any training in doing so. Yeah Just forget her.
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Originally posted by Darth Thor
It definitely force mastery to deflect it. The Saber doesnt just block it or deflect it on its own. Savage Opress couldnt even block it with a Saber. Because he had very little formal training. He was mostly powerful because of the nightsister magic amp he received.
It does when you position it right.
I don't believe Mace used any Force ability to deflect it back at Sidious... he was just that close to him... and he was still struggling to keep the saber in front of him.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
And we know distance isnt the factor either from the Dooku/Yoda fight. They both deflected Force lightning coming from a distance. And they both did it with their hands as well.
But it's not the same... Yoda knows Force Absorb... and sabers never deflected lightning at significant distance --- even if we include Rey, she had to get damn close to Palps in order for it to work.
We need to agree to disagree here.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But it's not the same... Yoda knows Force Absorb... and sabers never deflected lightning at significant distance --- even if we include Rey, she had to get damn close to Palps in order for it to work.We need to agree to disagree here.
Was Dooku as well, not just Yoda. Most of us assume Mace is on par with Dooku in the Force given his feats.
Was Rey not able to deflect it until she got close? In that case, I see your point. But IIRC there was a TCW video game where Obi-Wan and Mace fight Dooku. They both had their Sabers out, and in the cut scene at the end, Dookus Lightning is deflected in a different direction.
They didnt show which one of them deflected it and Of course that game is probably not canon post Disney. But still I do think that is how it would work with a good enough force user.
I know, I remember. Dooku, as a Dark Jedi Master/Sithlord, also possessed a level of Force mastery allowing him to do that with his bare hand. Especially since it was his own lightning redirected back at him.
But Mace only used his saber. At point-blank.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Was Rey not able to deflect it until she got close? In that case, I see your point.
Yeah, she couldn't do shit at first --- her sabers only absorbed the lightning at first --- same feat that Obi accomplished in AotC.
She needed to close the distance between her and Granpa Palps, which was taking some effort.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, she couldn't do shit at first --- her sabers only absorbed the lightning at first --- same feat that Obi accomplished in AotC.She needed to close the distance between her and Granpa Palps, which was taking some effort.
Ah okay.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Windu obviously lacks force feats but he is undoubtedly a top tier Jedi Master just by his position on the Jedi Council.
He has much > force feats than most. He arguably has better TK feats than Dooku.
Originally posted by The MerchantWhere would Mommin be ranked on the list IYO?
Bane should be in Vaders tier. His fact file article states he surpassed all Sith before him which would include Mommin.
Originally posted by Darth ThorIn canon?
He has much > force feats than most. He arguably has better TK feats than Dooku.
No, definitely not. Canon Dooku >> canon Mace in terms of feats.
Originally posted by Sheev
In canon?No, definitely not. Canon Dooku >> canon Mace in terms of feats.
In terms of destructive TK? I dont remember Dooku ever doing something quite like Force crushing multiple destroyer droids...
But Dooku has better lifting and choking feats, hence why I say its arguable.
Originally posted by Darth ThorDid Windu crush those droids in the Clone Wars show? I don't think Dooku crushed droids but he tore chunks of stone from the walls and crushed the base of that metal thingamajig in AOTC causing it to fall.
In terms of destructive TK? I dont remember Dooku ever doing something quite like Force crushing multiple destroyer droids...But Dooku has better lifting and choking feats, hence why I say its arguable.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Did Windu crush those droids in the Clone Wars show? I don't think Dooku crushed droids but he tore chunks of stone from the walls and crushed the base of that metal thingamajig in AOTC causing it to fall.
Yeah in TCW. And it was mid combat while they were racing towards him so pretty impressive.
He Also dropped this huge gate.
But yeah he didnt display much in the films except deflecting the lightning. Although technically just not getting force owned by Palpatine is a feat in itself. Dooku was choked out by Palpatine over a hologram.