Originally posted by StiltmanFTWKurt Busiek specifically thinks Wonder Woman is possibly stronger than Hercules due to her mythos, when asked of this fight, and cited her presentation of "More beautiful than Aphrodite, wiser than Athena, swifter than Hermes, and stronger than Hercules"
Thorbags always loved to make excuses for Herc.Him being mortal was the most common one.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14405270#post14405270
Well seeing the actual post changes things. 😆 So I guess he did post something but the scan is gone now.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thorbags always loved to make excuses for Herc.Him being mortal was the most common one.
The implications are terrible for Thorbags. Makes it hard to argue Thor winning against Superman in strictly H2H. Or even WW.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Kurt Busiek specifically thinks Wonder Woman is possibly stronger than Hercules due to her mythos, when asked of this fight, and cited her presentation of "More beautiful than Aphrodite, wiser than Athena, swifter than Hermes, and stronger than Hercules"
I really don't think that's the best argument given these are different universes, but if that's what the writer thinks, that's how he wrote it. I also remember him straight up saying Superman is stronger, just corroborating what we already saw.
Originally posted by Philosophía
It was normal Hercules.Trust me, I'd certainly love to argue Superman beat Thor when he had the Odin Force [which he did during that period for quite a while], but I wanna be reasonable. They were all presented as the most recognizable, classic versions.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I really don't think that's the best argument given these are different universes, but if that's what the writer thinks, that's how he wrote it. I also remember him straight up saying Superman is stronger, just corroborating what we already saw.
Check out the thread here. Olympian posted the scan Rage did but again, stupid @$$ imageshack deleted it. It's discussed in detail.
Kurt Busiek made Hercules match Thor without any issues in his Avengers run.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Avengers-1998/Issue-3?id=13368
If he was any weaker, it wasn't shown.
Originally posted by zopzopThe imageshack scan in that page is of Hercules and WW, based on its name? Either way, I haven't seen it.
According to canon though it WAS mortal Hercules. But even "mortal" Hercules has gone up against Hulk, Count Nefaria, etc..Check out the thread here. Olympian posted the scan Rage did but again, stupid @$$ imageshack deleted it. It's discussed in detail.
I'll maybe check this stuff when I get home but,eh like abhi said .. tomato tomato.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Well seeing the actual post changes things. 😆 So I guess he did post something but the scan is gone now.
Always click on the post link to see the actual post, yes.
Without context, they often don't make any sense.
Not that any of Rage's posts ever made much sense, but still.
Originally posted by zopzop
According to canon though it WAS mortal Hercules. But even "mortal" Hercules has gone up against Hulk, Count Nefaria, etc..Check out the thread here. Olympian posted the scan Rage did but again, stupid @$$ imageshack deleted it. It's discussed in detail.
If I got a penny every time someone claimed Herc was in his *supposedly* depowered mortal state whenever he gets a low showing, I wouldn't have to work for the rest of my life.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Always click on the post link to see the actual post, yes.Without context, they often don't make any sense.
Not that any of Rage's posts ever made much sense, but still.
Yes. On both counts.
Originally posted by zopzop
According to canon though it WAS mortal Hercules. But even "mortal" Hercules has gone up against Hulk, Count Nefaria, etc..Check out the thread here. Olympian posted the scan Rage did but again, stupid @$$ imageshack deleted it. It's discussed in detail.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If I got a penny every time someone claimed Herc was in his *supposedly* depowered mortal state whenever he gets a low showing, I wouldn't have to work for the rest of my life.
I've heard Mortal Hercules just doesn't have his immortality but otherwise is the same, at least usually. If someone is going to argue Hercules was mortal thus weaker, I'd like to see something concrete, or at least convincing, showing he is and what aspect instead of just falling back on "der Mortal Herc!!"
Also Zop, looking at the link and responses, Olympian did NOT post a scan to prove it was Mortal Hercules, but the later fight between Hercules and Wonder Woman. Which in context is not a good counter to the first fight.
Depends on the incarnation.
Newer ones, he was clearly powerless, relying on his skill, weapons and rarely tapping into some of his old, godly power (somehow).
Classic, back then? It was vague as f*ck, people still argue when exactly the "mortal" phase of his career ended.
We can play this awful game with other characters, too. Plenty of comparably unclear power upgrades/depowerements happened over the years.