Originally posted by Galan007
^ I've mentioned this before, but it was stated in the RoS VD that Luke created the projection by pouring his own living force into the cosmic force in order to bridge the distance(literally hundreds of light years) -- which is something we have never seen before in the mythos.The result was more than just a simple 'illusion', imo, as the projection clearly had solid elements to it...
-Luke gripped Leia's hands and kissed her forehead. He also manifested Han's dice, which were 'solid' and could be held by others.
-3PO's optic sensors registered Luke actually being there.
-His robes/hair were flapping in the wind on Crait.
-Kylo and Leia(who can very accurately sense presences in the force and had very strong connections to Luke) didn't realize that the projection wasn't actually Luke at first.I believe it was literally Luke's essence/life force standing in front of them, which is why it was indistinguishable from the real deal. /shrug
Considering Sidious can Force choke Dooku from a galaxy away in Disney canon I'm not exactly impressed by Luke killing himself to save 10 people in a cave via illusion. Also, in ROS we see that his X-wing was perfectly operational and that he could easily raise it from the water even as a ghost, so it makes Luke killing himself even more retarded.
I don't think Luke wanted to force choke/kill Kylo, lol... And if he did, it would have completely f*cked the plot in RoS. 😉
As for the X-Wing, two things:
a.) Rian clearly intended it to be fully out of commission in TLJ. JJ was again just playing damage control by having Luke raise it from the depths for Rey.
b.) Even if Luke would have used it in TLJ after his chat with Yoda, he would not have been able to get to Crait in time to help... Even Rey(who left in the Falcon well before Luke would have) barely got there in time.
Either way, my only point is that Luke's projection technique wasn't just your run of the mill illusion or whathaveyou. Even though the effort killed him, it was actually a very impressive/unique force ability(now that it has been fleshed out more in secondary material, that is) -- a literal manifestation of Luke's very life essence, projected hundreds of light years via the cosmic force.
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't think Luke wanted to force choke/kill Kylo, lol... And if he did, it would have completely f*cked the plot in RoS. 😉As for the X-Wing, two things:
a.) Rian clearly intended it to be fully out of commission in TLJ. JJ was again just playing damage control by having Luke raise it from the depths for Rey.
b.) Even if Luke would have used it in TLJ after his chat with Yoda, he would not have been able to get to Crait in time to help... Even Rey(who left in the Falcon well before Luke would have) barely got there in time.Either way, my only point is that Luke's projection technique wasn't just your run of the mill illusion or whathaveyou. Even though the effort killed him, it was actually a very impressive/unique force ability(now that it has been fleshed out more in secondary material, that is) -- a literal manifestation of Luke's very life essence, projected hundreds of light years via the cosmic force.
More than the plot already was.
Yeah, I know what Rian wanted. This out-dicking each other contest with JJ was stupid is my point.
I don't consider something that does effectively nothing and kills you to be impressive.
Is it stated anywhere that he died from the *strain* of the attack?
It seemed like he was only a little shook afterwards, and then chose to die.
Or maybe the whole "turning his living force into the cosmic force" brought his spirit into becoming one with the force.
It just didn't look like it was the strain of it that got to him.
Originally posted by Zentrex"This discipline requires extreme concentration and focus, as Luke essentially pours his living Force presence into the all-encompassing cosmic Force, bridging incredible distances. The transition is so complete that Luke gives his all into the Force, finding serenity in his final mortal moments and becoming one with the great beyond."
Is it stated anywhere that he died from the *strain* of the attack?It seemed like he was only a little shook afterwards, and then chose to die.
Or maybe the whole "turning his living force into the cosmic force" brought his spirit into becoming one with the force.
It just didn't look like it was the strain of it that got to him.
-RoS: VD