Originally posted by Putinbot1
I wonder if SBP is really above Supes sometimes.
imo Prime is what Superman would be if he hadn't grown up constantly having to hold himself back from completely wrecking the world around them.
I don't think there's much difference in their power ceiling, but Prime just tends to reach it far more easily than Superman does.
I feel like Superman, when completely unleashed/bloodlusted(ala OWAW), could match...and probably even exceed...Prime.
However, Superman reaching a fully 'no holds barred' mental state like that is an extreeeeemely rare occurrence. He's done it, what? Two or three times in his entire 80+ year character history?
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I mean, yeah. But that would mean Superman needs to go all out to match a Prime who performs his feats casually with a smile on his face...There's been multiple instances of Superman failing to stop Prime even with all the heroes in the world assisting him.
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What Prime casually does is indeed a rare occurrence for Big Blue.
I had not thought of that way.
Originally posted by Damborgsonyou guys are thinking about it wrong though.
👆What Prime casually does is indeed a rare occurrence for Big Blue.
I had not thought of that way.
if superman went into a fight fully unhinged and unleashed like prime always is, he'd be wrecking house just as casually. take the owaw example galan mentioned- superman wasnt restraining himself there and was oneshotting imperiex probes with no effort at all.
all clark has to do is let go and bam, he's at that level.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
I don't see Prime doing Supes' best feats. Which are far better than anything he has done.Prime isn't cosmologically important enough to be able to. he doesn't have Supes' written in stone metatextual necessity.
Prime’s moving of the Universe before the Guardians could realize what’s happening is up there with most of Clark’s best feats.
Prime falls short as you say, because he doesn’t carry the metatexual context Clark carries. Give Prime that context, he would surpass Clark.
Originally posted by Adam GrimesWell, the 'holding back' part has nothing to do with how casual you are, or not.
I mean, yeah. But that would mean Superman needs to go all out to match a Prime who performs his feats casually with a smile on his face...There's been multiple instances of Superman failing to stop Prime even with all the heroes in the world assisting him.
Superman casually tore through an army of Imperiex Probes once he changed his mindset, but beforehand he seriously struggled with one while ridiculously angry: https://imgur.com/a/g9Nic [at this point you'd have thought this is his ceiling given his emotional state, but he went several tiers above this afterwards]
It's about breaking the subconscious barriers that is keeping his power in check, not his level of chill.
Prime is a guy who just simply Superman who has never put subconscious and conscious barriers over his power throughout his entire life, because he didn't need to, so he's just punching through people and crying/laughing about it randomly.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
you guys are thinking about it wrong though.if superman went into a fight fully unhinged and unleashed like prime always is, he'd be wrecking house just as casually. take the owaw example galan mentioned- superman wasnt restraining himself there and was oneshotting imperiex probes with no effort at all.
all clark has to do is let go and bam, he's at that level.
You don’t actually think Prime attacks everyone all the time with 100% of his power do you ?
He’s a sadist, he enjoys fighting and killing (as long as he’s winning).
And the very fact that Primes casual looks like Superman’s non holding back is the issue.
@damborgson
i still think youre looking at it wrong. when superman stops holding back and unleashes, hes doing things "casually" as well. again- he was busting through imperiex probes like they were made of cardboard during owaw. no apparent effort whatsoever.
it all has to do with mindset. prime is always IN that mindset but superman rarely is. WHEN superman lets go and enters that mindset he can do things just as easily as prime. thats my point
Originally posted by Damborgson
You don’t actually think Prime attacks everyone all the time with 100% of his power do you ?He’s a sadist, he enjoys fighting and killing (as long as he’s winning).
And the very fact that Primes casual looks like Superman’s non holding back is the issue.
His fight with Sodam, the entire JSA/JLA, tanking hits from GA..etc it’s something else
But how can you do something casually, while also going all out ? Because Prime also fluctuates with the strength he uses, without a doubt. Superman unhinged also goes up a tier no doubt, but that’s him using an effort that Prime does not have to use, usually because Prime doesn’t actually run into people he has to use effort on.
He’s got Superboy and Flash phobia, and that basically takes care of every low showing he’s ever had.
My understanding of Prime is that as a pre crisis Kryptonian, he’s SUPPOSED to be different, on a different strength level.