Coronavirus

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The problem for them is that the unvaccinated are less likely to survive. So once health care is rationed, it is not a good use of resources to treat people who are going to die anyway. Because it causes people who are likely to survive to be denied care, and then they die too. So it compounds casualties. So it is better treat the vaccinated who are likely to live, and to provide palliative care to the unvaccinated who are likely to die, because you lose fewer patients that way. It is just a smarter use of resources. These anti-vaxxers are putting themselves in the grave.

Originally posted by Robtard
They're probably wishing for Universal Healthcare now.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The problem for them is that the unvaccinated are less likely to survive. So once health care is rationed, it is not a good use of resources to treat people who are going to die anyway. Because it causes people who are likely to survive to be denied care, and then they die too. So it compounds casualties. So it is better treat the vaccinated who are likely to live, and to provide palliative care to the unvaccinated who are likely to die, because you lose fewer patients that way. It is just a smarter use of resources. These anti-vaxxers are putting themselves in the grave.

Not if you know folks that are vaccinated aren't kicking the bucket they just experience difficulties.

Oh and look at this:

...and this:

Oh, and what's this?

I got the vaccine (first dose) Sept 3, 2021 and I feel fine.

But sure these "vaccines" are like TOTALLY "safe" and "effective".

Lmao. Sure they are. 🙄

Originally posted by snowdragon
Not if you know folks that are vaccinated aren't kicking the bucket they just experience difficulties.

Doctor's expect that, as that's what is being shown. But you still have to treat the patients all the same just in case they do go South health wise.

There's also the matter that the vaccinated are more likely in the hospital due to something not covid related, such as an accident or some other sickness.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
But sure these "vaccines" are like TOTALLY "safe" and "effective".

Lmao. Sure they are. 🙄

If you are over 50 and obese (which would probably include high blood pressure and diabetes type 2) you would be foolish to not get the vaccine.

Originally posted by Robtard
They're probably wishing for Universal Healthcare now.

Universal health care would not help them. We do not have enough facilities or staff to treat people. Access to care and affordable care are useless if there are not enough hospitals and doctors to see everyone.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
But sure these "vaccines" are like TOTALLY "safe" and "effective".

Lmao. Sure they are. 🙄

Yes, they are safe 99.999~% of the time. High millions of people are taken them around the world and are perfectly fine aside from the initial mild to moderate sickness some people can get after being vaccinated.

Anti-vaxers are the real danger.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Universal health care would not help them. We do not have enough facilities or staff to treat people. Access to care and affordable care are useless if there are not enough hospitals and doctors to see everyone.

Fair enough, that. It's a matter of hospitals being inundated as your noted.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Idaho public health leaders on Thursday expanded health care rationing statewide amid a massive increase in the number of coronavirus patients requiring hospitalization. The Idaho Department of Health and Welfare made the announcement after St. Luke's Health System, Idaho's largest hospital network, on Wednesday asked state health leaders to allow "crisis standards of care" because the increase in COVID-19 patients has exhausted the state's medical resources.

Idaho is one of the least vaccinated U.S. states, with only about 40% of its residents fully-vaccinated against COVID-19. Only Wyoming and West Virginia have lower vaccination rates. Crisis care standards mean that scarce resources like ICU beds will be allotted to the patients most likely to survive, i.e. the vaccinated. Other patients will be treated with less effective methods or, in dire cases, given pain relief and other palliative care.

The stark situation of COVID's impact on Alaska has affected the ability of the state's largest hospital to provide care for some patients. The Providence Alaska Medical Center's Medical Executive Committee said Wednesday that it must implement a "crisis standard of care" amid the worsening coronavirus situation.

"While we are doing our utmost, we are no longer able to provide the standard of care to each and every patient who needs our help," the hospital said.

Doctors at Providence believe the infection rate will continue to worsen over the next few weeks. "As we watch the case rates rise in our community, we anticipate an escalation in COVID-19 hospitalizations in the coming two to four weeks," Chief of Staff Kristen Solana Walkinshaw wrote.

Originally posted by Klaw
I got the vaccine (first dose) Sept 3, 2021 and I feel fine.

Cool, but that doesn't really prove much though other than you were lucky.

Several of my family members also have gotten the jab and they claim they're fine too. Thing is though, some people won't start showing adverse reactions till much later.... and the more boosters you take, the greater your chances are of having something unpleasant happen to yourself, as many of thosr comments I posted above show.

These "vaccines" were designed as soft kill weapons. They know that if everyone who got the shot just started dropping dead all at once then everyone would know that they were deliberately poisoned. Those who made the vaccines are smarter than to do something like that.

Also, many people who think they've gotten the covid "vaccine" have instead gotten merely a saline injection.

Again, the people behind these "vaccines" are not dumb... they're just evil.

Originally posted by Robtard
Doctor's expect that, as that's what is being shown. But you still have to treat the patients all the same just in case they do go South health wise.

There's also the matter that the vaccinated are more likely in the hospital due to something not covid related, such as an accident or some other sickness.

Yeah but so what, treat them and treat everyone. Don't (not you) play games about wanting UHC and then think our current system needs to ration, if we had UHC we would have more rationing in our current structure.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The stark situation of COVID's impact on Alaska has affected the ability of the state's largest hospital to provide care for some patients. The Providence Alaska Medical Center's Medical Executive Committee said Wednesday that it must implement a "crisis standard of care" amid the worsening coronavirus situation.

"While we are doing our utmost, we are no longer able to provide the standard of care to each and every patient who needs our help," the hospital said.

Doctors at Providence believe the infection rate will continue to worsen over the next few weeks. "As we watch the case rates rise in our community, we anticipate an escalation in COVID-19 hospitalizations in the coming two to four weeks," Chief of Staff Kristen Solana Walkinshaw wrote.

Alaska's another Red state. It's like there's maybe some kind of pattern or something forming.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Yeah but so what, treat them and treat everyone. Don't (not you) play games about wanting UHC and then think our current system needs to ration, if we had UHC we would have more rationing in our current structure.

Your premise assumes the rationing is being done for shits and giggles; it's not, hospitals are running out of space and resources with the influx of covid patients so the rationing is out of necessity. So they need to use the dwindling resources at maximum effectiveness.

It's not like car crashes, work injuries, cancer and other sicknesses just stop because Covid cases rise in a state or district. Hospitals still have to deal with those, ontop of the Covid cases surging because people believe the nonsense about "murder vaccines" and whatnot.

Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough, that. It's a matter of hospitals being inundated as your noted.

That has always been the problem for things like Medicare for All. The cost barrier of health care is a deterrent to care. The uninsured routinely delay or go without care, because they cannot afford it. That allows the existing infrastructure to operate. If we had universal health care overnight, the health care system would be innundated with people seeking care. We were not graduating and licensing enough doctors before the pandemic, that is why we were offering fast-tracked citizenship to entice them from other countries. It is not enough to just declare health care free, you have to scale the entire infrastructure to support that before you do it.

Originally posted by snowdragon
If you are over 50 and obese (which would probably include high blood pressure and diabetes type 2) would you be foolish to not get the vaccine.

Dude, I am not having this argument with you or anyone else again.

You can believe whatever you like and play all the russian roulette with your health by taking all these supposed "vaccines"" you like.

But as for myself, no one will be forcing one on me, and that includes the tyrant who called himself "president".

He can kiss my ass and so can anyone else who tells me I have to get vaxxed.