Originally posted by FrothByte
Read the title of this thread:Loki (MCU) vs Yoda (Star Wars Prequel film trilogy)
Good point.
Loki defo doesnt go down easy. I feel most here underestimate him. But between TK and a Lightsaber, and trusting in the Force not to be fooled by delusions, I feel Yoda takes this.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Good point.Loki defo doesnt go down easy. I feel most here underestimate him. But between TK and a Lightsaber, and trusting in the Force not to be fooled by delusions, I feel Yoda takes this.
Oh I agree that Yoda wins, or at least the majority, but Loki is not going to be an easy opponent. He should at least win a few rounds.
Yoda has never fought an opponent as strong or durable as he is nor has he encountered magic like Loki's.
I don't know about the force detecting illusions easily. Kylo didn't detect Luke's illusion. Now sure, Kylo is no Yoda, but Luke isn't exactly Loki either.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Oh I agree that Yoda wins, or at least the majority, but Loki is not going to be an easy opponent. He should at least win a few rounds.Yoda has never fought an opponent as strong or durable as he is nor has he encountered magic like Loki's.
I don't know about the force detecting illusions easily. Kylo didn't detect Luke's illusion. Now sure, Kylo is no Yoda, but Luke isn't exactly Loki either.
Palp was no slouch in durability, Loki has no real way to close the distance on Yoda.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Palp was no slouch in durability, Loki has no real way to close the distance on Yoda.
Yeah but I don't recall Palpatine being bulletproof. Or being tough enough to take a grenade to the face without a scratch.
As for closing the distance, I'd say it's actually Yoda who needs to close the distance to win this. He has no real long range attacks other than a possible force choke (never seen Yoda actually do this) and even if we assumed he could, when have we ever seen a force choke used effectively on someone as durable as Loki?
On the other hand Loki can just keep throwing his daggers or blast Yoda with his scepter if he has it.
To win this match (and I already said Yoda wins), Yoda would need to close the distance and use his lightsaber.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't know about the force detecting illusions easily. Kylo didn't detect Luke's illusion. Now sure, Kylo is no Yoda, but Luke isn't exactly Loki either.
Thats because it was more than just an illusion in that Lukes essence was there, so Kylo would sense him through the Force.
No real reason to think Lokis illusion would fool Force senses. Fool a clumsy Jedi/Sith? Sure. But shouldnt confuse Yoda.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Thats because it was more than just an illusion in that Lukes essence was there, so Kylo would sense him through the Force.No real reason to think Lokis illusion would fool Force senses. Fool a clumsy Jedi/Sith? Sure. But shouldnt confuse Yoda.
As I mentioned before, Loki's powers were strong enough cover himself from Heimdall's sight and even cloud Odin.
There's literally no proof that Yoda can easily see through the illusions. He can detect the force within an individual, and in the case of the illusions he won't detect the force. But then it's probable that he wouldn't detect the force within the real Loki either.
I'm giving Yoda the benefit that he can actually see through the illusions eventually even though this is not supported by feats. All I'm saying is that it's not as easy as you guys make it sound.
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Bear in mind even Jedi younglings are taught to fight with a blast shield over their eyes.
So as impressive as it is to hide from Heimdall, I dont recall him having feats where he sees straight through illusions, so dont see the relevance to Yoda.
Also dont get your logic for why you think the Force wouldnt register Loki.
Like I already stated, may be an issue for lesser Jedi. But should not be for Yoda Imho.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^Bear in mind even Jedi younglings are taught to fight with a blast shield over their eyes.
So as impressive as it is to hide from Heimdall, I dont recall him having feats where he sees straight through illusions, so dont see the relevance to Yoda.
Also dont get your logic for why you think the Force wouldnt register Loki.
Like I already stated, may be an issue for lesser Jedi. But should not be for Yoda Imho.
Because Loki is not from the SW universe and probably does not contain the force. If Jedi younglings are taught to fight blindfolded and that was infallible then again, Kylo should have seen through Luke's illusion, essence or no.
And as mentioned above, Heimdall did see through dark elf cloaking.
So basically what you have here is;
1. The force has previously been fooled by illusions (Kylo)
2. Heimdall is able to see through illusions to a degree (cloaking)
3. Loki is able to hide his presence from Heimdall
4. Yoda has zero feats of seeing through illusions
Am I missing something here or aren't we supposed to argue using feats?