Sentry Vs. the Omega Beams.

Originally posted by Galan007
Eh, what?

The Sentry...Standing there in front of Darkseid(which is what this thread is asking)...Would be sent hurling through the timestream in a 'life trap' tailor made for him by the Omega Sanction.

Physical regeneration is irrelevant here. The only way for Sentry to 'beat' the Omega Sanction, is if he can 'beat' that sort of temporal manipulation.

That's what I'm saying. He isn't a creature that has to be caught up in all of those laws if Bob doesn't allow him to, because the Sentry isn't real. It all depends on Bob's psyche or state of mind. Time and all of that has no effect on the Sentry. He'd probably allow it to happen to stage his retreat, but he'd be back as soon as Bob want's him to come back. The Sentry is just a construct projected by Bob's mind, like the Void who is also from Bob's mind.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's not the question OP is asking? It either affects him or it doesn't.... Even if he heals or comes back or whatever, it still affects him.

That depends on Bob.

Originally posted by Stoic
Bob would never be there. It would only work if Darkseid somehow boom tubed to Bob's location. But how would he know this? The Sentry is just a puppet created by Robert's mind. According to his origin story; This guy warped reality to the point that he disappeared, or masked his whereabouts from all creation. That alone implies multiversal level control in scope. Which also happens to pertain to every possible time line.

Sentry is a near identical copy, or creation of a real to life vastly powerful man. Well, at least as far down to what his near identical molecules will take him. Except for one thing, his very near to real body is just a solidified concept that is created by Bob's mind. He'd just make a new Sentry. Darkseid's OS may, or may not be able to affect the Sentry's body as well, and even if it did it would be irrelevant. And even at that, it really all depends on how focused Bob's mind is. The Sentry has exhibited variable power levels without a doubt if you research what he's done in case of doubt. Bob is also the Void. Just saying.

I just don't see any proof on either side. for all we know he may allow for the sanction to work, and in an instant create a new Sentry. Sentry did resist molecular dispersion and manipulation by a powerful force after all. Owen even took note that something was different about his molecules, and how they weren't native to the universe as if he shouldn't actually exist.

In a nutshell, the Sentry is a lot like Larfleeze's ring, and constructs. Except that he's physically more sophisticated. And, while Larfleeze is present on the battlefield Bob moves to a dimension, or space with irrelevant distance to the actual encounter.

Enzeru is that you?

the amount of cringe by stoic...

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Enzeru is that you?

Originally posted by MrMind
the amount of cringe by stoic...

Very funny you two. It still doesn't dimish the fact that the sanction would not work on a solidified concept. The Sentry is not real. It, or he is just an image that Bob perceives himself to be. But he isn't real, nor is this solidified concept held to the same laws as a regular sentient entity. The Sentry as in the concept, can't even be called an entity. He isn't like some Shadow demon that can be controled in that way, unless Bob is in an extremely weakened state of mind. However, in this case we debate characters that are operating within optimal conditions. The reason that the Molecule Man's power didn't work on the Sentry was because Bob didn't allow it to work on the Sentry , by doing nothing other than willing it not to work on the Sentry who happens to be a solified thought construct created by his clinically damaged mind.

I'll go into this because Robert Reynolds has been diagnosed to have brain damage which obviously stems from the frontal lobe of his brain. This is what determines the power level of the Sentry. In this case he likely suffers from damage to either his amygdala, or even his limbic cortex. This is the reason behind the older extremes between him envisioning the Sentry, and his polar opposite the Void.

Anyway it just wouldn't work on him, or should I say it.

Originally posted by Galan007
Eh, what?

The Sentry...Standing there in front of Darkseid(which is what this thread is asking)...Would be sent hurling through the timestream in a 'life trap' tailor made for him by the Omega Sanction.

Physical regeneration is irrelevant here. The only way for Sentry to 'beat' the Omega Sanction, is if he can 'beat' that sort of temporal manipulation.

Hmm interesting. This would be cool to see.

Can Sentry manipulate time? He can manipulate reality so time wouldn’t be a stretch. During Dark Avengers, wasn’t the Void implied to be the Angel of Death and starting to descent on Egypt simultaneously with NYC?

IIRC Morgan Le Fay killed the Sentry (She’s a time traveller) and he returned unharmed at the end of the issue.

Would Sentry be able to come from the OS? If Bendis or Jenkins were writing it? I’d say probably, and almost certainly. Anybody else? Probably not, or eventually.

This isn’t a comparison of the Void vs. True Darkseid. Just the temporal trap theory. It’s been a while since I read FC though.

I would hope it's not a comparison

true darkseid can collapse the multiverse by falling

void gets smashed back to robert by a helicarrier, gets eaten by fat cobra

void/sentry's reality warping is very minimal, it's just very localized molecule manipulation

I don't see how temporal manipulation just magically become his power

I specifically added the bit to prevent a spiral and you still can’t help yourself lol.

I’m not sure how localized it is; we never got a radius/range. Regardless, within it, he’s pretty Uber. And same difference? He was just referenced as having the ability to warp reality.

I have no leaning either way. Sentry’s powerset is sufficiently vague, that if he popped right back after an OS no one would be shocked. I’m discussing the probability of that happening.

As an aside, I don’t see how total molecular control diminishes a power set. At a certain point it’s indistinguishable no?

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11135/111356512/6502951-ihfcusv.jpg

What’s this about?

Sentry’s power is from the same Universe all other time lines/realities are created?

Originally posted by MrMind
I would hope it's not a comparison

true darkseid can collapse the multiverse by falling

void gets smashed back to robert by a helicarrier, gets eaten by fat cobra

void/sentry's reality warping is very minimal, it's just very localized molecule manipulation

I don't see how temporal manipulation just magically become his power

Those are all low showings, and the Bob of those days suffered from extreme bouts of bipolar disorder, which affected the Sentry. Make no mistake, the OS from any Darkseid would not work on the Sentry unless Bob allowed it to.

Originally posted by Stoic
Very funny you two. It still doesn't dimish the fact that the sanction would not work on a solidified concept. The Sentry is not real. It, or he is just an image that Bob perceives himself to be. But he isn't real, nor is this solidified concept held to the same laws as a regular sentient entity. The Sentry as in the concept, can't even be called an entity. He isn't like some Shadow demon that can be controled in that way, unless Bob is in an extremely weakened state of mind. However, in this case we debate characters that are operating within optimal conditions. The reason that the Molecule Man's power didn't work on the Sentry was because Bob didn't allow it to work on the Sentry , by doing nothing other than willing it not to work on the Sentry who happens to be a solified thought construct created by his clinically damaged mind.

I'll go into this because Robert Reynolds has been diagnosed to have brain damage which obviously stems from the frontal lobe of his brain. This is what determines the power level of the Sentry. In this case he likely suffers from damage to either his amygdala, or even his limbic cortex. This is the reason behind the older extremes between him envisioning the Sentry, and his polar opposite the Void.

Anyway it just wouldn't work on him, or should I say it.

When has Sentry been portrayed as a "solidified concept", a mental construct projected by Bob that is completely immune from any harm or attempt to waylay him because he isn't "real"?

For real, where? Post scans or issues. I don't follow much Sentry because he's a shitty character so maybe I'm missing some showings of his that portray him as this unassailable projection that can't be harmed as long as Bob himself isn't. Show us Sentry demonstrating this immutable nature as opposed to him just having regeneration from his molecule manipulation in the Molecule Man showing.

That’s too far. Bob might very well have no option but to be screwed by the OS.

Originally posted by NemeBro
When has Sentry ever been portrayed like this?

When has Sentry been portrayed as a "solidified concept", a mental construct projected by Bob that is completely immune from any harm or attempt to waylay him because he isn't "real"?

For real, where? Post scans or issues. I don't follow much Sentry because he's a shitty character so maybe I'm missing some showings of his that portray him as this unassailable projection that can't be harmed as long as Bob himself isn't. Show us Sentry demonstrating this immutable nature as opposed to him just having regeneration from his molecule manipulation in the Molecule Man showing.

Very convoluted history as he’s a terrible character. I didn’t read Stoics post but Sentry has been a flesh and blood being (WWH) but also a concept like entity. Originally, both the Void and Sentry were creations of Bobs mind.

https://i.imgur.com/phBXXxZ_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

This was form AOS #6. Sentry is from another Universe? Terrible character.

If Sentry was in full control, manipulating time/space might be easy for him I’d wager? But DS is in his true form. He could force Sentry to be trapped? Not sure how the OS is powered after hitting.

Age of Sentry is noncanon isn't it?

Originally posted by NemeBro
When has Sentry ever been portrayed like this?

When has Sentry been portrayed as a "solidified concept", a mental construct projected by Bob that is completely immune from any harm or attempt to waylay him because he isn't "real"?

For real, where? Post scans or issues. I don't follow much Sentry because he's a shitty character so maybe I'm missing some showings of his that portray him as this unassailable projection that can't be harmed as long as Bob himself isn't. Show us Sentry demonstrating this immutable nature as opposed to him just having regeneration from his molecule manipulation in the Molecule Man showing.

He showed it against the Molecule Man for one, and later when he became Death Seed Sentry. Wait what happened to the Death Seed? Why isn't he still in that form? Bob is the reason, and the fact that the Sentry is just as real as the Void in Bob's mind.

It has actually been stated several times what the Sentry and the Void are. What did you think that he/it, or they were like Shazam, where you have Billy Batson mutter a phrase and poof we see him transform into a super powered version of himself? If so you'd be completely wrong.

But just for the sake of argument, why does the OS have to work on the concept that is called the Sentry? He isn't a real entity I have no means of providing scans, but that does not mean that I'm lying. Sentry and Void are not real, and there are laws that the OS must adhere to, otherwise they would work on even universal essentials. In this case the Sentry does not exist, and as that is the case they would not work on him/it unless Bob allowed for it to work. The Sentry has variable levels of power. Those levels depend entirely on Bob's state of mind.

Owen Reece the Molecule Man is an extremely powerful character, and the Sentry seemingly nullified his power, and turned the tables on him. This was because of the condition of Bob's mind. Again it isn't Bob being hit by anything, but instead the concept made by his own mind. Whenever the Sentry is seemingly destroyed or killed, you'll notice that it's because Bob wants to drop off of the radar, but whenever an emergency pops up the Sentry that was seemingly destroyed shows back up.

I specifically added the bit to prevent a spiral and you still can’t help yourself lol.

I’m not sure how localized it is; we never got a radius/range. Regardless, within it, he’s pretty Uber. And same difference? He was just referenced as having the ability to warp reality.

how is his molecule manipulation so uber other than the molecule man encounter? his other matter manipulation feats aren't even better than captain atom or firestorm

do you think captain atom or firestorm can resist OE/OS?

let's do this, show me a feat of sentry warping reality first so this discussion isn't just mental masterbation from sentry fans.

matter manipulation is not reality warping, or else firestorm or captain atom are reality warpers.

how beyonder differ from sentry or how doctor manhattan differ from captain atom, is the scale of how they change realities are infinitely larger. they don't abide the laws of physics and can will the entire existence with their mind. That's true reality warping. and the only kind of reality warping I see completely resisting attacks from a hyperdimensional god

I have no leaning either way.

Sentry’s powerset is sufficiently vague, that if he popped right back after an OS no one would be shocked. I’m discussing the probability of that happening.

yeah let's make up abilities and powersets he hasn't shown, just so he can resist OE/OS in this thread. Sentry's powers are whatever his fanboys want them to be.

freaking mister miracle, the new god that's able to escape anything. wasn't able to escape omega sanction, he was stuck in an endless loop of lives, one worse than another, being beaten castrated burned alive etc. suffering endless torture

BUT SENTRY DIFFERENT! CUZZZ MOLECULE MAN!!!!VOID CANT DIE!!!

Sentry threads are toxic and cringe

As an aside, I don’t see how total molecular control diminishes a power set. At a certain point it’s indistinguishable no?

indistinguishable from what? molecule control should still be confined by the law of physics and reality warping has no limit, it's a lot like magic, you just wish what's on your mind.

it's comics so these abilities aren't defined

but we are talking about the scale of things, has sentry warped reality on a mass scale? has sentry shown resistence from getting bfr to past/future? has sentry time-travel before?

also having reality warping power doesn't automatically make you immune to a higher dimensional god that is Darkseid

let's find another example, ambrose chase is a very low grade reality warper, do you think his reality warping ability can stop Darkseid in any way?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I specifically added the bit to prevent a spiral and you still can’t help yourself lol.

I’m not sure how localized it is; we never got a radius/range. Regardless, within it, he’s pretty Uber. And same difference? He was just referenced as having the ability to warp reality.

I have no leaning either way. Sentry’s powerset is sufficiently vague, that if he popped right back after an OS no one would be shocked. I’m discussing the probability of that happening.

As an aside, I don’t see how total molecular control diminishes a power set. At a certain point it’s indistinguishable no?

I took this to mean he could warp reality but only in his presence:

Originally posted by MrMind
I can't help myself of what? laugh at how lopsided this is? that sentry side has no evidence, just speculation?

how is his molecule manipulation so uber other than the molecule man encounter? his other matter manipulation feats aren't even better than captain atom or firestorm

do you think captain atom or firestorm can resist OE/OS?

let's do this, show me a feat of sentry warping reality first so this discussion isn't just mental masterbation from sentry fans.

matter manipulation is not reality warping, or else firestorm or captain atom are reality warpers.

how beyonder differ from sentry or how doctor manhattan differ from captain atom, is the scale of how they change realities are infinitely larger. they don't abide the laws of physics and can will the entire existence with their mind. That's true reality warping. and the only kind of reality warping I see completely resisting attacks from a hyperdimensional god

yet you are entertaining the idea of sentry being able to resist omega beams without a shred of evidence of sentry travel through time.

yeah let's make up abilities and powersets he hasn't shown, just so he can resist OE/OS in this thread. Sentry's powers are whatever his fanboys want them to be.

freaking mister miracle, the new god that's able to escape anything. wasn't able to escape omega sanction, he was stuck in an endless loop of lives, one worse than another, being beaten castrated burned alive etc. suffering endless torture

BUT SENTRY DIFFERENT! CUZZZ MOLECULE MAN!!!!VOID CANT DIE!!!

Sentry threads are toxic and cringe

indistinguishable from what? molecule control should still be confined by the law of physics and reality warping has no limit, it's a lot like magic, you just wish what's on your mind.

it's comics so these abilities aren't defined

but we are talking about the scale of things, has sentry warped reality on a mass scale? has sentry shown resistence from getting bfr to past/future? has sentry time-travel before?

also having reality warping power doesn't automatically make you immune to a higher dimensional god that is Darkseid

let's find another example, ambrose chase is a very low grade reality warper, do you think his reality warping ability can stop Darkseid in any way?

Your reasons seem to be based on your feelings though. That really isn't a reason why the OS has to work on a literal conceptual construct. It's like having a cartoon jump out of your head and do everything that you would do if you can imagine doing it, but in Bob's case his brain damage is diectly linked to why his power is often corrupted. Look up what tends to happen to people that are born with a damaged amygdala. Now factor that into the reality that goes on within Bob's mind.

So why does the OS have to work on a thought come to life?

Because New Gods are concepts and thoughts.

And the OS works on them just fine.