Kylo Ren: Underrated?

What do you guys think?

I believe he is criminally underrated by a lot of people due to his loss against Rey, the choreography of the movies, and his lack of feats/scaling. However each of these reasons are misunderstood and just incorrect for the following reasons:

1. His loss to Rey was very circumstantial. He was shot by Chewbacca’s bow caster which the movie went out of its way several times to display just how powerful a shot from it is. It was shown to kill several stormtroopers with a single shot from not even a direct hit. Kylo was hit directly in his gut, and was still able to stand and even fight afterwards. Other Jedi have died from less powerful blasters. The fact that he was actually able to duel is a very impressive feat. We also don’t know how powerful Rey actually was at this point. Being the granddaughter of Palpatine she obviously has insane potential, and we now know that her power grew at an extremely accelerated rate due to her dyad with Kylo.

2. The choreography of the movie is just an invalid reason to say that Kylo isn’t a great duelist. He moves just as fast as Luke and Vader from the OT, who are both excellent duelists.

3. A lack of feats doesn’t = weakness. And Kylo actually scales quite well. It’s fair to say that Kylo should be an insane duelist. Taking into account his Skywalker blood and potential, along with many years of training (I think he’s around 30 in the movies), he should be far beyond the average Jedi Knight or even Jedi master.

Those are my thoughts. Feel free to discuss further, let me know if you agree or disagree!

Most regular people don't look enough into the movies to realize that Ren is quite powerful. It's just that most installments which take place around the Sequel Trilogy are fairly disconnected from the other eras, so it's hard to put him and Rey on a scale compared to force users who have more feats.

As for most hardcore fans, I just think most of them don't like Canon enough to care how powerful Kylo is. Regardless, there's not enough information either way, so 😖hrug:

The kid is a force prodigy and from the bloodline of the most powerful force user to ever live. It’s his brooding nature, temper tantrums, and fixation on a stupid character like Rey that gives him a bad rap. In terms of feats, he’s capable of stalemating Rey and seizing a freighter. He’s obviously incredibly strong in the force and his lack of saber feats is only because by and large the number of saber wielded in his era are on existent. If he existed in the PT he’d be high up there due to the nature of his force connection, I’d bet he’d be on par with Kenobi

👆 glad you guys agree, felt like I was the only one who thought so

Ben is immensely powerful. There aren't exactly an abundance of characters who can resurrect the dead, ffs.

Originally posted by Galan007
Ben is immensely powerful. There aren't exactly an abundance of characters who can resurrect the dead, ffs.

Agreed. Kylo should logically be Anakin tier based off his years of training and Skywalker potential.

Originally posted by Galan007
Ben is immensely powerful. There aren't exactly an abundance of characters who can resurrect the dead, ffs.

Matt Martin says he was only able to do this due to their Dyad:

https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/01/10/star-wars-story-group-member-matt-martin-attempts-to-explain-force-healing/amp/

That’s just his opinion though, he says so himself: “my read is that”

^ Still cant just ignore that the only person hes resurrected is the one he has a Dyad with.

I’m not disagreeing I’m just saying that it’s not a fact. And either way Kylo is extremely powerful

He did to Rey what Anakin couldn't do to his wife..but besides that he has got nothing on Ani

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
I’m not disagreeing I’m just saying that it’s not a fact. And either way Kylo is extremely powerful

Sure. Just saying, thats not the evidence.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Matt Martin says he was only able to do this due to their Dyad:

https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/01/10/star-wars-story-group-member-matt-martin-attempts-to-explain-force-healing/amp/

I posted this before, but the RoS VD confirms that the Dyad between Rey and Kylo was "mirroring and amplifying" their abilities when they were in the same vicinity:
https://i.imgur.com/LHNE42c.jpg

I'll be curious to see if the novelization expands on that concept at all.

That makes it really hard to gauge them individually, because a lot of their showings took place alongside each other.

Can we agree Kylo was weaker than Vader? If so, that puts a certain cap on him. Then, we'd just have to figure out how much weaker, and that would be our answer.

Originally posted by Zentrex
Can we agree Kylo was weaker than Vader? If so, that puts a certain cap on him. Then, we'd just have to figure out how much weaker, and that would be our answer.

Perhaps Vader level with Rey nearby, and Maul level on his own.

Or around that ballpark at least by TROS.

^I'd say he's a bit stronger than that.

I imagine Disney would want their characters to be powerful. And he's killed a Zillo Beast, choked people from lightyears away (Star Wars: Resistance), Rey (who's as powerful as he is) has lifted giant boulders casually, and together they brought Kylo back from near-death.

^ Perhaps stronger in the force, but im talking as an overall combatant.

Maul has survived being cleaved in two, grappled with Rathtars, extracted information out of Hera far more easily than Kylo did out of Poe, put visions in Ezra across the galaxy, been noted as one of the most highly trained Sith Apprentices (at least in terms of sword fighting and H2H abilities).

So whilst I agree Kylo is likely stronger in the force, Maul aint no slouch in that department, but ridiculously better qualifier in Saber and melee combat.

Kylo is a little *****, hes > any Force users the PT in regards to combat