Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It doesn't mention the speed used to move the stars
It's a reasonable amount of time though. So we can low ball guess the speed (which I did).
For example, traveling at the speed of light will take 4 years to reach the nearest star, over 100,000 years to cross the milky way, and millions to billions of years to travel to other galaxies.
So traveling at 1 million times the speed of light will take you from 2 to thousands of years to reach another galaxy.
2 years is an unreasonable amount of time to transport things.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah... no
And this.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/6/69316/1755078-dptu883oroboroscps031.jpg
Originally posted by TheHulkster
He holds apart that which Cap pushes away in this scene and is described by Reed.
Except all he did was hold the planets apart for the briefest of time.
Unless you want to argue that the Earths he held apart were able to withstand Universal forces pressing on them.....
Originally posted by TheHulkster
And this.https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/6/69316/1755078-dptu883oroboroscps031.jpg
You can't prove that Thor exerted more than 100 tons in that scene.
Also, what did Surfer do in that scene, strength wise, that rivals what Superman did?
Originally posted by h1a8
You can't prove that it took more than 100 tons of force.
The "World Tree" is DIRECTLY connected to dimensions the size of universes.
here's the scan that explains that the engine and the tree are CONNECTED and that Thor is actually pushing against something using the WILL (force/power) of Yggdrasil.
https://imgur.com/gallery/w8EwJQ9
Also, a Curse Weakened Thor w/ a broken arm LIFTED the Midgard Serpent (who was in disguise). That feat alone is easily over several billion tons.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The "World Tree" is DIRECTLY connected to dimensions the size of universes.here's the scan that explains that the engine and the tree are CONNECTED and that Thor is actually pushing against something using the WILL (force/power) of Yggdrasil.
https://imgur.com/gallery/w8EwJQ9
Also, a Curse Weakened Thor w/ a broken arm LIFTED the Midgard Serpent (who was in disguise). That feat alone is easily over several billion tons.
It's magically connected, there is no physical object actually grabbing the Earth. There is no actual quantifiable way the force can be determined.
Even if it was 100% mechanically connected then Thor can still exert any amount of force depending on the lever system of the thing.
Originally posted by h1a8How much force needs to take for pushing Braniac OWAW ship and rearraging the universe? No offense, Just genuinely curiousThis has to be the 3rd greatest strength feat in comic history, next to the Braniac OWAW feat and Prime rearranging the universe.
To accelerate a star to millions of times the speed of light in a reasonable amount of time (to another galaxy) takes a force more than a billion times the weight of a star. Hell probably more weight than the milky way galaxy.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's a reasonable amount of time though. So we can low ball guess the speed (which I did).For example, traveling at the speed of light will take 4 years to reach the nearest star, over 100,000 years to cross the milky way, and millions to billions of years to travel to other galaxies.
So traveling at 1 million times the speed of light will take you from 2 to thousands of years to reach another galaxy.2 years is an unreasonable amount of time to transport things.
I get the logic but it's still a stretch. You don't know the size of the galaxies or how fast they're moving; you're making it up. You say "reasonable amount of time" but you don't know what's reasonable for the transporters; you're making it up to support your point. They could be fine waiting centuries. They could not. You don't know.
Originally posted by h1a8
You can't prove that Thor exerted more than 100 tons in that scene.
Also, what did Surfer do in that scene, strength wise, that rivals what Superman did?
Tossing a star?
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/6/69316/1755077-dptu883oroboroscps029.jpg
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilWe do know the size of galaxies and the distance between. It's basic science. We can average things out.
I get the logic but it's still a stretch. You don't know the size of the galaxies or how fast they're moving; you're making it up. You say "reasonable amount of time" but you don't know what's reasonable for the transporters; you're making it up to support your point. They could be fine waiting centuries. They could not. You don't know.
Waiting centuries is unreasonable. In all of fiction and storytelling, it takes a reasonable (in human standards) amount of time to transport something UNLESS the writer gives us evidence that it does not.
This is fiction, we go by what the writer conceives and his basic intent. Writers intent is usually clear.
If it took centuries to transport stars then that defeats the point of the feat that the writer is PURPOSELY trying to show.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilDo you seriously believe rl physics apply to comics?
In fact, moving stars at the speed you're suggesting would be catastrophic to anything remotely near its path and probably destroy the star. So they would have to be moving exponentially slower.
See. It's easy to make things up to support your own point.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Tossing a star?https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/6/69316/1755077-dptu883oroboroscps029.jpg
Let's say Surfer tossed a star the mass of the Sun. That is is astronomically weaker than the Superman feat.
Also, prove that Surfer tossed a Sun sized star away using pure strength. Post multiple pages and explain carefully what's happening.
Originally posted by TheHulksterwe don't know the entire process. What if even the bonding process has to be done inside an inverted black hole? What we do know is that it is currently the strongest metal in DC above other Admentine equivalent metals of DCU.
That it can be forged using pure force would appear to place it below primary adamantium.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
In fact, moving stars at the speed you're suggesting would be catastrophic to anything remotely near its path and probably destroy the star. So they would have to be moving exponentially slower.
See. It's easy to make things up to support your own point.
As far as the star being destroyed
That's disregarded in comics. Otherwise no feat is usable, especially lifting shit where it doesn't break under its own weight).
The hyperion feat would also be disregarded for the same reason.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
How much force needs to take for pushing Braniac OWAW ship and rearraging the universe? No offense, Just genuinely curious
After further thought. Brainiac feat is unknown.
But a lower bound for rearranging the universe is millions of star weights in force.
Lower bound means that the feat is greater, not equal to.
Originally posted by h1a8
We do know the size of galaxies and the distance between. It's basic science. We can average things out.Waiting centuries is unreasonable. In all of fiction and storytelling, it takes a reasonable (in human standards) amount of time to transport something UNLESS the writer gives us evidence that it does not.
This is fiction, we go by what the writer conceives and his basic intent. Writers intent is usually clear.
If it took centuries to transport stars then that defeats the point of the feat that the writer is PURPOSELY trying to show.
so all galaxies are the same size? Again, your assuming what's reasonable and you're assuming intent. What if the point is to slowly heat galaxies undergoing heat death? What if it's too create energy dynamics and the star has to remain still at long at various intervals? You, as a reader don't and can't know unless it's explicitly stated. Again, I get your logic but your creating a lot of calcs and conclusions based solely on the statement "this metal is used to transport stars between galaxies".
