MCU: Lady Sif vs. Loki

Originally posted by FrothByte
Dude, she never took down Hulk, with or without effort. Stop using that as a feat. He took a playful swipe at her which she dodged, then she pulled on his leg and kicked him while he was off balance.

What exactly does that prove? That she's faster than a playful Hulk? That she's strong enough to topple an out of balance Hulk? Those are things Sif can easily replicate.

Like I said, I do think Valkyrie is the better warrior than Sif, but nothing she's done proves that she's amped beyond Sif levels. Being older makes her more experienced, not necessarily stronger.

And Sif was not a member of any elite unit, she was an elite warrior on her own. As in she got recognition from her exploits alone rather than through membership in a group. It's like asking who's a more skilled fighter: a navy seal or an MMA champion?

That's not what happened. Valkyrie kicked Hulk and Hulk fell while making a visible sound. The fact that she did this casually shows that she has some extreme power.

You are arguing against PERCEPTION. It's clearly the writer's intention that she can seriously hurt Hulk if she wanted to. That's what everyone who saw the scene perceived.

She also has a feat of throwing someone a long ass distance away.

Valkerie is significantly stronger than Sif. It's not debatable. Sif has no feats above a few tons.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's not what happened. Valkyrie kicked Hulk and Hulk fell while making a visible sound. The fact that she did this casually shows that she has some extreme power.

You are arguing against PERCEPTION. It's clearly the writer's intention that she can seriously hurt Hulk if she wanted to. That's what everyone who saw the scene perceived.

She also has a feat of throwing someone a long ass distance away.

Valkerie is significantly stronger than Sif. It's not debatable. Sif has no feats above a few tons.

1. You need to watch a movie first before you open your mouth, otherwise you just look dumb.

2. Again you prove you know nothing about fighting. You don't need a lot of strength to knock down an off balance opponent. It's about leverage and body mechanics.

3. Sif also has a feat of throwing someone a long as distance away.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. You need to watch a movie first before you open your mouth, otherwise you just look dumb.

2. Again you prove you know nothing about fighting. You don't need a lot of strength to knock down an off balance opponent. It's about leverage and body mechanics.

3. Sif also has a feat of throwing someone a long as distance away.

1. Troll tactics
2. Why was Hulk off balance? He was standing firmly right before the kick landed. You are still arguing against clear perceptions. The kick seemed to hurt him a little. That was the perception. She was perceived to be able to hurt Hulk if she wanted to.

3. Sif has a feet of throwing someone hundreds of feet away? Please show it. Or give episode number.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Troll tactics
2. Why was Hulk off balance? He was standing firmly right before the kick landed. You are still arguing against clear perceptions. The kick seemed to hurt him a little. That was the perception. She was perceived to be able to hurt Hulk if she wanted to.

3. Sif has a feet of throwing someone hundreds of feet away? Please show it. Or give episode number.

1. If you actually watched the movie you'd know that Hulk and Valkyrie were clearly play fighting and that it would be a horrible feat to use in a versus fight.

2. Having both feet touch the ground is not the same thing as being firmly planted. Hulk had just had one leg swept off and he had yet to get his full balance when he was kicked. Again, not a strength feat but one of leverage on Valkyrie's part.

3. Season 2, Episode 12 of Agents of SHIELD.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. If you actually watched the movie you'd know that Hulk and Valkyrie were clearly play fighting and that it would be a horrible feat to use in a versus fight.

2. Having both feet touch the ground is not the same thing as being firmly planted. Hulk had just had one leg swept off and he had yet to get his full balance when he was kicked. Again, not a strength feat but one of leverage on Valkyrie's part.

3. Season 2, Episode 12 of Agents of SHIELD.

1. Play fighting is why it's a good feat. She slightly hurt Hulk while playing. Just imagine if she was serious. Stop arguing against the perception. It's clear to everyone but you that she has the power to hurt the Hulk.

2. Both feet planted while upper body is directly above = firmly standing. Who are you trying to fool?

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Play fighting is why it's a good feat. She slightly hurt Hulk while playing. Just imagine if she was serious. Stop arguing against the perception. It's clear to everyone but you that she has the power to hurt the Hulk.

2. Both feet planted while upper body is directly above = firmly standing. Who are you trying to fool?

1. Prove that Hulk was hurt

2. Either you don't know what "firmly standing" means or you haven't watched the movie. Which is it?

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Prove that Hulk was hurt

2. Either you don't know what "firmly standing" means or you haven't watched the movie. Which is it?

1. It was clear that it stung him somewhat. He voiced in slight pain or agony.
Again, it's about what is perceived.

2. I paused the scene the moment she struck him. He was standing firmly at that instant. Now a split second before, he wasn't.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. It was clear that it stung him somewhat. He voiced in slight pain or agony.
Again, it's about what is perceived.

2. I paused the scene the moment she struck him. He was standing firmly at that instant. Now a split second before, he wasn't.

1. So are you saying every time a person grunts after getting hit then that's proof that they got hurt?

2. If someone was off balance a split second before, then it's nearly impossible for them to be standing firmly just a split second after. Again, you need to learn what standing firmly means. Hint: Just because you have both feet touching the ground doesn't mean you're standing firmly.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. So are you saying every time a person grunts after getting hit then that's proof that they got hurt?

2. If someone was off balance a split second before, then it's nearly impossible for them to be standing firmly just a split second after. Again, you need to learn what standing firmly means. Hint: Just because you have both feet touching the ground doesn't mean you're standing firmly.

1. In a movie Yes. It's called storytelling. It's called perception.

2. He was standing upright. It's called perception. What did the audience perceive? What was the intent?

Originally posted by h1a8
1. In a movie Yes. It's called storytelling. It's called perception.

2. He was standing upright. It's called perception. What did the audience perceive? What was the intent?

1. In which case the perception was they were playfully wrestling and neither of them hurt the other.

2. And the perception is that he was off balance. Don't pretend to know what the audience perceived when you haven't even watched it

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. In which case the perception was they were playfully wrestling and neither of them hurt the other.

2. And the perception is that he was off balance. Don't pretend to know what the audience perceived when you haven't even watched it

1. Hulk is not a baby. A little sting is not going to make him mad or cry. Even we human males play and get stung a little and keep moving. The perception is that she hurt him a little. But yes they were playing. Stop ignoring the fact that Hulk voiced in slight pain.

2. The perception wasn't that Hulk was off balance. You just made that shit up. When we all see the scene for the first time, we all think that she can phuck the Hulk up if she wanted to. That is what is perceived.

At this point you are trolling. We agree to disagree.
At least She has a feat of throwing someone hundreds of feet away. That's far stronger than anything Sif has shown.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Hulk is not a baby. A little sting is not going to make him mad or cry. Even we human males play and get stung a little and keep moving. The perception is that she hurt him a little. But yes they were playing. Stop ignoring the fact that Hulk voiced in slight pain.

2. The perception wasn't that Hulk was off balance. You just made that shit up. When we all see the scene for the first time, we all think that she can phuck the Hulk up if she wanted to. That is what is perceived.

At this point you are trolling. We agree to disagree.
At least She has a feat of throwing someone hundreds of feet away. That's far stronger than anything Sif has shown.

1. Thank you for admitting they were playing and thus isn't a good feat to judge Valkyrie.

2. Thank you for admitting that you don't know what being off-balance means.

3. You didn't even bother researching the AoS episode I sent you huh? Figures. Don't know why I expected anymore from a troll.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Thank you for admitting they were playing and thus isn't a good feat to judge Valkyrie.

2. Thank you for admitting that you don't know what being off-balance means.

3. You didn't even bother researching the AoS episode I sent you huh? Figures. Don't know why I expected anymore from a troll.

I'm done with the argument. You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. Basically you are trolling.

As with the 2nd thing, obviously Sif didn't throw anyone near hundreds of feet (as you would have mentioned it). So why view the footage? Do you claim that she did?

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm done with the argument. You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. Basically you are trolling.

As with the 2nd thing, obviously Sif didn't throw anyone near hundreds of feet (as you would have mentioned it). So why view the footage? Do you claim that she did?

Sure dude, whatever you say. Let me know when you're finally ready to debate like an adult.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Sure dude, whatever you say. Let me know when you're finally ready to debate like an adult.

Concession accepted.
Valkerie is significantly stronger because she has the significantly better strength feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
Concession accepted.
Valkerie is significantly stronger because she has the significantly better strength feat.

Valkyrie is significantly stronger because she toppled an off balance Hulk while they were play fighting. Gotcha.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Valkyrie is significantly stronger because she toppled an off balance Hulk while they were play fighting. Gotcha.

I'm not debating you on that issue since you are trolling.

Good way to ignore the fact that Valkyrie has another strength feat far superior to anything Sif did.
If you disagree then simply claim Sif threw someone hundreds of feet away.
Otherwise consession accepted.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not debating you on that issue since you are trolling.

Good way to ignore the fact that Valkyrie has another strength feat far superior to anything Sif did.
If you disagree then simply claim Sif threw someone hundreds of feet away.
Otherwise consession accepted.

I'm not even trying to debate. Why would I try to argue against your impeccably sound feat of Valkyrie toppling an already off-balance Hulk while they were play fighting?

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not even trying to debate. Why would I try to argue against your impeccably sound feat of Valkyrie toppling an already off-balance Hulk while they were play fighting?

Because we are not debating that. That's dead.

You are clearly ignoring the other feat (the throw) since you know it wins the argument.

Originally posted by h1a8
Because we are not debating that. That's dead.

You are clearly ignoring the other feat (the throw) since you know it wins the argument.

Oh you've already won the argument when you used play fighting as a legitimate feat for Valkyrie. There's clearly no arguing against such fool proof logic. I concede against such great wisdom.